When to acknowledge ATC

"A Guy Called Tyketto"

Thank you. This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to get at all
along in this thread. You *MUST* hear 'Cleared into Class Bravo
Airspace' to be allowed to enter Bravo airspace. That is your clearance
into it. Even the FARs state it:

I gotta ask: Are you a pilot? Your musings on this are incorrect and
increasingly of no interest to those who are trained in these procedures.
You don't know the full definition of "clearance". You are playing with
people who actually use this knowledge on a regular basis. By your
misunderstanding, we'd all have lost our tickets years ago.

Sec. 91.131 - Operations in Class B airspace.

(a) Operating rules. No person may operate an aircraft within a Class B
airspace area except in compliance with ?91.129 and the following
rules:
(1) The operator must receive an ATC clearance from the ATC facility
having jurisdiction for that area before operating an aircraft in that
area.
Some people just fail to understand that.

Godlike. One day you will feel a) stuipd or b) spanked. Maybe both.

Even more than that, if they tell you to remain outside of
Bravo airspace, or any airspace, and give you a reason, pilots are
requested to read that back.

What if they don't give a reason? They often don't.

"NY departure this is N123XX."

"VFR aircraft stay clear of Class Bravo airspace."

"N123XX wilco."

See? Now you know something new.

ATC is going to expect a readback.

Is that only if they give you a reason?

moo

Happy Dog wrote:


What if they don't give a reason? They often don't.

"NY departure this is N123XX."

"VFR aircraft stay clear of Class Bravo airspace."

"N123XX wilco."

You are just wasting airtime with that last transmission.


See? Now you know something new.


ATC is going to expect a readback.


Is that only if they give you a reason?

They aren't expecting and don't really want a readback.
If they're so busy that they tell everybody to standby and
remain clear the last thing they need is some clown continuing
to talk.

This is like Homer Simpson who where it was written do not write
below this line, wrote "OK."

Ron Natalie wrote:

This is like Homer Simpson who where it was written do not write
below this line, wrote "OK."

When I was younger, a number of people I knew would write "Please" under such a
line. Some of the forms in the Atlanta area actually got changed as a result of
this.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.