ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked

Peter Duniho wrote:

The guy sure did screw up. But at what point was "the life or property of
another" endangered as a direct result of his actions?

The minute the F-16s were scrambled.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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The minute the F-16s were scrambled.

Right. Clearly F-16s were a completely justified use of force against such
a terrible threat as the mighty Cessna 150.

I guess if I'm caught cutting across the corner of my neighbor's yard and he
starts waving a shotgun around, threatening the life and property of others,
I'm to blame for that too?

Pete

("George Patterson" wrote)
The guy sure did screw up. But at what point was "the life or property
of another" endangered as a direct result of his actions?

The minute the F-16s were scrambled.


Speaking of reporters (as happens around here from time to time)
.....wouldn't it be interesting if some young enterprising cub reporter went
out and found those flares?


Montblack

("Peter Duniho" wrote)
Huh. I guess 91.13 really IS the "catch-all" regulation.

The guy sure did screw up. But at what point was "the life or property of
another" endangered as a direct result of his actions?

I guess if the FAA can apply 91.13 here, they can apply it practically
anywhere.


Which is why his legal team must mount the "Miracle on 34th Street" defense:

"We intend to prove there really is a Santa Clause Your Honor"

They need to make the case about the FAA, Homeland Security, TSA, the Media,
etc. But what do I know about legal matters? I thought OJ did it


Montblack
"But... but maybe he's only a little crazy like painters or composers or...
or some of those men in Washington." - Miracle on 34th Street (1947)

"Montblack" wrote in message
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Which is why his legal team must mount the "Miracle on 34th Street"
defense:

"We intend to prove there really is a Santa Clause Your Honor"

He's got no defense. The thought that he might even try to dispute most of
the charges is ludicrous, even if he does indeed go and try to do just that.

I just don't see what the point of tacking on 91.13 is.

They need to make the case about the FAA, Homeland Security, TSA, the
Media, etc. But what do I know about legal matters? I thought OJ did it

In our justice system, it is entirely possible (and even expected, at least
for a small number of cases) that someone can have done the crime, but not
be found guilty of it.

I'd love to see SOME case be turned into an indictment against the FAA, DHS,
TSA, the Media, etc. IMHO, this probably isn't the one, given how oblivious
the pilot seems to be about the whole thing. What we need is a pilot who is
clearly competent, and yet in spite of good-faith efforts to stay out of
trouble, wound up in trouble anyway. Much more media-friendly.

Pete

"But... but maybe he's only a little crazy like painters or composers
or... or some of those men in Washington." - Miracle on 34th Street
(1947)

Yes, one of the best quotes from that movie.

George Patterson wrote:

* FAR 99.7. Operated the aircraft in an air defense identification
zone (ADIZ) without complying with special security instructions issued
by the administrator in the interest of national security and that are
consistent with appropriate agreements between the FAA and the
Department of Defense.

I can't see how 99.7 applies here. The DC Area ADIZ doeesn't meet the
applicability standards of Part 99 despite the fact that it shares the
acronym with the airspace of that part.

"George Patterson" wrote in message

"In an effort to be extra careful, and wishing to avoid the restricted
area of
Camp David during our flight, we over compensated by taking a more than
anticipated southerly route, which consequently caused us to infringe upon
the
Washington, D.C., restricted zones," said part of the statement.

Incredible!!! Amazing!!

I'm surprised the guy can make coffee.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message

"In an effort to be extra careful, and wishing to avoid the
restricted
area of
Camp David during our flight, we over compensated by taking a more
than
anticipated southerly route, which consequently caused us to
infringe upon
the
Washington, D.C., restricted zones," said part of the statement.

Incredible!!! Amazing!!

I'm surprised the guy can make coffee.

Ditto. I'm glad they yanked his license. The ADIZ may very well be
counter-productive but that does not diminish the carelessness he
demonstrated.

-cwk.

So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks,
dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again.
Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011 into
the glades because of a lightbulb???
"A.Coleman" wrote in message
. ..

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&sn=018&sc=478

AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot
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Monday, May 23, 2005

(05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small
plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11,
forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive
mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court.

Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's
restricted
airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation.

The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an
emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he
"constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce."

The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who
was
also in the plane.

"This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted
airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into
restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin.

The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward
highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of
people
as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it.

The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of
flight
time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S.
Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report
before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to
Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions.

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"Franklin Newton" wrote in message
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So all you learned folks think this guy is a real safety hazard to folks,
dumber than a loon and deserves never to fly again.
Was he dumber or more hazardous than the whole crew who stuffed a L1011
into
the glades because of a lightbulb???

Apples and oranges.

Not taking basic skills along for the ride was a basic mistake.

Stuffing a L1011 was the usual accident chain of events, failing to be
broken, at a million opportunities. Not dumb. Unfortunate.
--
Jim in NC