TV Interview With Pilot From ADIZ Incident

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message

Your situation above isn't anything like the DC situation. It sounds
from the reports that the student did get involved reasonably
appropriately, then again none of us were in the cockpit to know exactly
who did what when.

It could be the student pilot questioned the PIC frequently although some
here are too closed minded to even consider that possibility.

Could be they were giving each other hand jobs. Could be.

Hey, could be they were both napping.

Now don't be too closed minded about those possibilities.

Jim Burns wrote:
The "he was a passenger" is a cop out. If you are a pilot, even a student
pilot with only 30 hours, and you are in the airplane, why wouldn't you do
everything you could to be prepared?? which to me starts at home with
flight planning.

I can see by this and your other post that you expect the student
pilot passenger to act more like a student than a passenger. That's
your perogative. Not being an instructor, I don't generally take that
approach. I don't insist that a student pilot riding with me do any
flight planning or learn anything at all. I'm not an instructor and
I'm not there to teach them anything. If they happen to learn
something on the flight, good for them. But I certainly wouldn't (as a
non-CFI) insist that any student that goes for a ride with me do
detailed flight planning or anything else. If they choose to do so,
that's fine, but when it comes right down to it, I'm the PIC and they
are just a passenger. I can provide them with some practical
experience, and they can take what they can from that, but I'm not
going to pretend to be their instructor.

At 30 hours, I would expect that the student pilot/passenger had completed
at least part of his cross country training, so I'd expect that if he had
agreed to do the hands on flying through that type of airspace that he would
take the effort to flight plan it also.
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If your assumptions are correct, perhaps you have a point. But
neither you nor I know what kind of 30 hr. student we're talking about.
There's the 30 hr. student that's flying solo X/C and there's the one
who flies once a month and hasn't soloed yet (i.e. clueless newbie).
The latter may not even be at the level of competently planning a
flight of this distance. I'm not going to judge him without more info.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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"Jim Burns" wrote:

The "he was a passenger" is a cop out.

wrong.

What part of "passenger" don't you understand?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

So you're saying that since I now have my FAA liscense, I am no longer
allowed to sit back and enjoy the scenery as a passenger while a friend
of mine acts as PIC?

"buttman" wrote in message
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So you're saying that since I now have my FAA liscense, I am no longer
allowed to sit back and enjoy the scenery as a passenger while a friend
of mine acts as PIC?

I'd enjoy the scenery, but make a comment if my friend is about to do
something really stupid.

On 25 May 2005 18:01:55 -0700, "buttman" wrote:

So you're saying that since I now have my FAA liscense, I am no longer
allowed to sit back and enjoy the scenery as a passenger while a friend
of mine acts as PIC?

If all you were doing is sitting back and enjoying the ride, yes - you
are allowed to just sit back and enjoy the ride. However, in this
case the other guy was at the controls and flying the aircraft. If I
was going somewhere and was at the controls I would expect, regardless
of who was PIC, to have some basic idea of where I was going and the
route used to get there and not just rely on the other guy to say
something along the lines of "head thataway for a while, I'll let you
know."

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says...


So you're saying that since I now have my FAA liscense, I am no longer
allowed to sit back and enjoy the scenery as a passenger while a friend
of mine acts as PIC?


What you may not do, apparently, is have a couple of beers while waiting
for your friend to show up, then sit back and enjoy the ride as your
friend acts as PIC. Even if you have no intention of assuming any role
in the planning or execution of the flight.

Others here may say I'm wrong here - and I may be - but there have been
some recent cases of certificate action against pilot passengers that I
have found surprising.

G Faris