Call signs

Anytime I am in a Pa 28 derivative, I identify myself, and expect to be
called a "cherokee".

Even when I'm in an Arrow, and the identifier is a P28R, they still call
me cherokee.

Dave


buttman wrote:
When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter what
I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even tried
to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

"Dave S" wrote in message
k.net...
Anytime I am in a Pa 28 derivative, I identify myself, and expect to be
called a "cherokee".

Even when I'm in an Arrow, and the identifier is a P28R, they still call
me cherokee.

Dave


buttman wrote:
When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter what
I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even tried
to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

On 2005-06-04, Dave S wrote:
Anytime I am in a Pa 28 derivative, I identify myself, and expect to be
called a "cherokee".

Even when I'm in an Arrow, and the identifier is a P28R, they still call
me cherokee.

Sometimes ATC converts my Comanche to a Cherokee. Usually then I get
handed off to someone who is surprised to see a Cherokee doing 160kts...

To make up for this I'm sometimes upgraded to "Twin Comanche".

Only rarely am I truncated to "Piper" in which case I follow suit.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

In a previous article, "buttman" said:
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use

I learned in our club's Warrior, and for the last 10 years I've been
flying a mixture of Warrior's, Archers, and Dakotas, and with one
exception everybody[1], both pilots and ATC, says "Cherokee".

The problem for me was that now I checked in the club's Lance, and ATC
always says "Lance". And my ears are used to listening for "Cherokee",
and so I miss a lot more radio calls in the Lance than I do in our various
Cherokees.

[1] There is one controller at Rochester who knows our planes, and if you
call him up with "Cherokee November 8323Yankee", he'll respond "Dakota
23Yankee cleared to...". Even he doesn't correct the Warrior and
Archers, and refers to them as Cherokees.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a
battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day."
- Calvin discovers Usenet

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "buttman" said:

saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use


I learned in our club's Warrior, and for the last 10 years I've been
flying a mixture of Warrior's, Archers, and Dakotas, and with one
exception everybody[1], both pilots and ATC, says "Cherokee".

The problem for me was that now I checked in the club's Lance, and ATC
always says "Lance". And my ears are used to listening for "Cherokee",
and so I miss a lot more radio calls in the Lance than I do in our various
Cherokees.

[1] There is one controller at Rochester who knows our planes, and if you
call him up with "Cherokee November 8323Yankee", he'll respond "Dakota
23Yankee cleared to...". Even he doesn't correct the Warrior and
Archers, and refers to them as Cherokees.

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

In a previous article, Stubby said:
All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
IMAP is just not a very rich protocol.
-- Steve Conn, Exchange Server product manager for Microsoft

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.

Right. A Pathfinder/Dakota cruises more than 20% faster than a Cherokee
140.

Which is why, when I've asked the tower controllers at Cedar Rapids, they
told me that they appreciated knowing that we're a "Dakota" rather than a
"Cherokee" -- as this knowledge enables them to scoot us around their little
chessboard a little faster. (Although, I suspect, 90% of the time it really
doesn't matter...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.

Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


Right. A Pathfinder/Dakota cruises more than 20% faster than a Cherokee
140.

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying. If a pilot call in and uses Piper 12345 he
will get asked what type Piper. More than likely it will be a cub. I
care about the speed difference between a cub and a cherokee. Between a
cherokee 235 and a 140 isn't relavant to my planning.

Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, Stubby said:

All the controller cares about is your speed. So he wants to know if
you are a "Cherokee" (Warrior, Arrow, ....) or a LearJet or a heavy.
That tells him about times and congestion problems, his job.


Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.


They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.

"Newps" wrote in message
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They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.


Center guys had the designators changed? Why would they do that?