Lake Winnepausaukee

That's a good one. You fly boys want control of the lakes too! Get Phil
Boyer on it immediately!

Such attitudes beget groups like Stop the Noise, Plane Sense, etc.

In article outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

That's a good one. You fly boys want control of the lakes too! Get Phil
Boyer on it immediately!

Such attitudes beget groups like Stop the Noise, Plane Sense, etc.

troll

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
In article outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:
That's a good one. You fly boys want control of the lakes too! Get Phil
Boyer on it immediately!

Such attitudes beget groups like Stop the Noise, Plane Sense, etc.

troll

You're only *now* realizing that? Everything this idiot has posted has
been a deliberate troll, and the only amusement I'm getting out of this
group these days is seeing how many people are falling over themselves
trying to respond to him.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"There is always a way."
-- Rick Grant (quoting RCAF pilot training)

I agree that Boyer is a troll. We have that in common.

Both:

Back in season full swing as the drunken yuppies take to the waters in
Cape Cod Bay and surrounding waters. ASCC dispatched four aircraft
to distressed boaters this week who were too messed up to realize that
they were out of fuel, or could not select a tank with fuel. License
boaters? Absatively.

Have a great one!
Bush


On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:53:39 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:


Does anyone know why boaters and kayakers are floating on this lake? There
are a few of
planes around, and it seems like a risky thing to do.

When the boats are on the lake, do ALWAYS ignore Coast Guard regulations or
are they just drunk?

Well i agree with that. Boaters should be licensed and annually certified.
We wouldn't want a circus like what goes on a Fitchburg Airport!

Skylune wrote:

Does anyone know why planes are landing on this lake? There are alot of
boaters and kayakers around, and it seems like a risky thing to do.

When the planes land on the lake, do Coast Guard regulations or the FAR's
apply?


I had heard from a CFI that ther eis a fly in occasionally, and they meet up
in some bay. He told me they also do that in Winter when the lake freezes
over.


--
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Steambending FAQ with photos:

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The FAA doesn't have jurisdiction over operations landing rights water.
There are some basic right of way rules in 91.115, but it is the same
as basic boating right of way rules.

The question of whether landing a Seaplane on a lake almost alway comes
down to this. What agency has juridiction over the boating on the lake?
Even though a Seaplane isn't really a boat, the agency that controls
the recreation on the lake is the one that would control the Seaplane
landing rules on the lake. Seaplanes are only subject to Coast Guard
rules if the Coast Guard has jurisdiction over the water way, which is
NOT always the case, it just depends..It can be the county, city, state
or some Federal agency, all depends on who manages the recreation on
the lake.

I usually recommend a pilot contemplating landing on a lake he isn't
sure about, call the agency that administers the boat ramp, checks for
life vests, etc. If you can't find out who that is, visit the local
marina or boat ramp and ask around.

As a Seaplane owner, I tend to think that Seaplanes are no worse than
power boats. They don't cause particuarly big wakes. And their
operations on the lake are fairly infrequent compared to boating
operations. The usual complaint is noise, which is a consideration.
Careful choice of take off and landing will usually limit noise to
reasonable levels.

So far as seeing a kayak goes, an object as large as a kayak is no
problem for a Seaplane to see. Contrary to what most people think,
Seaplanes don't need special "sea lanes" or landing zones on the lake.
They just pick a spot that is open and become like a boat once they
land. Technically Seaplanes usually aren't considered "water vessels"
which usually excempts them from any speed limitations on water
vessels. There is always some question whether a Seaplane can land on a
lake that doesn't expressly permit Seaplane usage, but doesn't have a
rule against it either. This one is best worked out on a case by case
basis, using common sense.

Thanks for your serious response, unlike some of the Yo-yo's here.

A question: Can sea-planes land on any lake, or are there designated
lakes and areas on the lakes where they can land?

I used to boat in the ocean off of Long Island, and a cool sea-plane used
to take off from Mattituck and land in the Peconic. Once, he was pretty
close to an area that is known for shoaling, and I was wondering if he
knew that.

There are three cases:
1. Seaplane landing expressly forbidden
2. Seaplane landing permitted (sometimes with restrictions)
3. Seaplane landing neither forbidden nor permitted, in which case
Common Law prevails (what is commonly done). If it is commonly done,
then it is ok. You don't need a law that says you can walk on a
sidewalk, people commonly walk there, you don't need a law, you have a
right by common law.

Each lake has it's own set of rules. All depends on the agency that
manages the lake, the neighbors, the laws of the state etc.