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I see that "jgrove" omitted the fact that CA airports study showed
$110K/year economic benefit to airport areas per based aircraft (old
data, so we should assume more). He doesn't mention the amount of his
taxes going toward supporting street bums (sorry -- "homeless") or
bicycle lanes or other "feel good" tax-supported programs.

There are NO entries on my RESIDENTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL for:
-DuPage Bum Authority (many churches provide shelter services thru
PADS)
-Hoover Dam
-Yosemite NP
-Waikiki Beach
-New Jersey Turnpike
-Golden Gate Bridge

I cannot speak to the others, but the NJ Turnpike gets funding from the
state's tax on fuel. It also has received federal monies in the past.

However, I see that our economic illiterate is still unable to address the
issue of monies brought into an area by a GA airport.

- Andrew

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There are NO entries on my RESIDENTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL for:
-DuPage Bum Authority (many churches provide shelter services thru
PADS)
-Hoover Dam
-Yosemite NP
-Waikiki Beach
-New Jersey Turnpike
-Golden Gate Bridge

There is for the DPA.


None of your property tax is used to pay DPA operating costs.

..

There are NO entries on my RESIDENTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL for:
-DuPage Bum Authority (many churches provide shelter services thru
PADS)
-Hoover Dam
-Yosemite NP
-Waikiki Beach
-New Jersey Turnpike
-Golden Gate Bridge

There is for the DPA.

JG

The Airport Authority now collects about $6.5 million annually in real
estate taxes--about 20 percent of its $29.9 million a year budget.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Years ago, in California, the California Pilots Assn. got the Division
of Aeronautics to conduct surveys to determine the economic value of the
state's GA airports.

Was this the 1991 Watsonville Airport Economic Study, prepared under
the direction of the Association of Monterey Bay Area Governments (AMBAG)?

That's cited he

http://www.watsonvilleairport.com/facts.html

There was also a study of Manassas Regional in 2002 by Infrastructure
Management Group Inc. which found a $45.8 million impact on the local
and county economies and 562 jobs provided by the airport.

Glendale Arizona also did a study:

http://www.ci.glendale.az.us/Airport/impactstudy.cfm

Massachusetts:

http://www.edrgroup.com/edr1/library...economic.shtml

This includes profiles for individual airports. I found this especially
interesting as I've spent a fair bit of time flying into MA airports
for various reasons (though less so since they've mandated prop locks
on transients). Little Chatham Airport has almost 2000 MA visitors
a year (of which my wife and I have been a pair on occasion). That
quiet little strip generates over a million in salary and over four
million in sales.

Culpeper, VA:

http://www.culpepercounty.gov/Airpor...tesArticle.asp

There are plenty of these to be found. Anyone ignoring these has
some agenda that extends beyond the realm of facts involving economic
impact. Yes, airports may receive funds of one sort or another, but so
do roads. The benefits of having roads are pretty clear, but they occur
in ways that are hard to charge back to the road (unless you want toll
booths everywhere {8^). Airports are similar. There's no special sales
tax; they just pay the normal sales tax that everyone else pays. There's
no special payroll tax; just the normal payroll tax that everyone pays.

And so on.

To merely look at the funding provided and call it a drain, ignoring
the benefits, is akin to calling roads a drain because we pay for their
upkeep. It's false to fact, and the claim itself is, as I wrote above,
indication that facts are not the topic of discussion.

Looking at a more global level, there's "The National Economic Impact of
Civil Aviation" from 2002 at:

http://www.gama.aero/dloads/DRI-WEFA...mpactStudy.pdf

Even more global:

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/assembl/a35/wp/wp042_en.pdf

- Andrew

All produced for customers biased towards GA, using statements like
"estimates and multipliers".
The 190,000 operation of DuPage can afford another paying another $35
each and GET OFF MY
PERSONAL HOME'S PROPERTY TAX BILL! Use the savings from the DEATH TAX'S
Demise
and pay for your toys.

JG

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Years ago, in California, the California Pilots Assn. got the Division
of Aeronautics to conduct surveys to determine the economic value of the
state's GA airports.

Was this the 1991 Watsonville Airport Economic Study, prepared under
the direction of the Association of Monterey Bay Area Governments (AMBAG)?

That's cited he

http://www.watsonvilleairport.com/facts.html

There was also a study of Manassas Regional in 2002 by Infrastructure
Management Group Inc. which found a $45.8 million impact on the local
and county economies and 562 jobs provided by the airport.

Glendale Arizona also did a study:

http://www.ci.glendale.az.us/Airport/impactstudy.cfm

Massachusetts:

http://www.edrgroup.com/edr1/library...economic.shtml

This includes profiles for individual airports. I found this especially
interesting as I've spent a fair bit of time flying into MA airports
for various reasons (though less so since they've mandated prop locks
on transients). Little Chatham Airport has almost 2000 MA visitors
a year (of which my wife and I have been a pair on occasion). That
quiet little strip generates over a million in salary and over four
million in sales.

Culpeper, VA:

http://www.culpepercounty.gov/Airpor...tesArticle.asp

There are plenty of these to be found. Anyone ignoring these has
some agenda that extends beyond the realm of facts involving economic
impact. Yes, airports may receive funds of one sort or another, but so
do roads. The benefits of having roads are pretty clear, but they occur
in ways that are hard to charge back to the road (unless you want toll
booths everywhere {8^). Airports are similar. There's no special sales
tax; they just pay the normal sales tax that everyone else pays. There's
no special payroll tax; just the normal payroll tax that everyone pays.

And so on.

To merely look at the funding provided and call it a drain, ignoring
the benefits, is akin to calling roads a drain because we pay for their
upkeep. It's false to fact, and the claim itself is, as I wrote above,
indication that facts are not the topic of discussion.

Looking at a more global level, there's "The National Economic Impact of
Civil Aviation" from 2002 at:

http://www.gama.aero/dloads/DRI-WEFA...mpactStudy.pdf

Even more global:

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/assembl/a35/wp/wp042_en.pdf

- Andrew

In article .com,
wet the bed some more and whined:

All produced for customers biased towards GA, using statements like
"estimates and multipliers".
The 190,000 operation of DuPage can afford another paying another $35
each and GET OFF MY
PERSONAL HOME'S PROPERTY TAX BILL! Use the savings from the DEATH TAX'S
Demise
and pay for your toys.



Call it what you want, but the fact is that GA airports more than pay
for themselves and support the economy. I doubt that JG contributes much
to the economy -- certainly not as much as one GA pilot at the airport
that he disparages.

I doubt that his rundown trailer pays much tax anyhow -- he never
commented whether you support paying taxes to support street bums,
bicycle lanes and parks devoted only to backpackers, yet begrudges small
taxes toward productive airports.


Again: WHINE, WHINE, WHINE!

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Years ago, in California, the California Pilots Assn. got the Division
of Aeronautics to conduct surveys to determine the economic value of the
state's GA airports.

Was this the 1991 Watsonville Airport Economic Study, prepared under
the direction of the Association of Monterey Bay Area Governments (AMBAG)?

That's cited he

http://www.watsonvilleairport.com/facts.html

There was also a study of Manassas Regional in 2002 by Infrastructure
Management Group Inc. which found a $45.8 million impact on the local
and county economies and 562 jobs provided by the airport.

Glendale Arizona also did a study:

http://www.ci.glendale.az.us/Airport/impactstudy.cfm

Massachusetts:

http://www.edrgroup.com/edr1/library...airports-econo
mic.shtml

This includes profiles for individual airports. I found this especially
interesting as I've spent a fair bit of time flying into MA airports
for various reasons (though less so since they've mandated prop locks
on transients). Little Chatham Airport has almost 2000 MA visitors
a year (of which my wife and I have been a pair on occasion). That
quiet little strip generates over a million in salary and over four
million in sales.

Culpeper, VA:

http://www.culpepercounty.gov/Airpor...tesArticle.asp

There are plenty of these to be found. Anyone ignoring these has
some agenda that extends beyond the realm of facts involving economic
impact. Yes, airports may receive funds of one sort or another, but so
do roads. The benefits of having roads are pretty clear, but they occur
in ways that are hard to charge back to the road (unless you want toll
booths everywhere {8^). Airports are similar. There's no special sales
tax; they just pay the normal sales tax that everyone else pays. There's
no special payroll tax; just the normal payroll tax that everyone pays.

And so on.

To merely look at the funding provided and call it a drain, ignoring
the benefits, is akin to calling roads a drain because we pay for their
upkeep. It's false to fact, and the claim itself is, as I wrote above,
indication that facts are not the topic of discussion.

Looking at a more global level, there's "The National Economic Impact of
Civil Aviation" from 2002 at:

http://www.gama.aero/dloads/DRI-WEFA...mpactStudy.pdf

Even more global:

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/assembl/a35/wp/wp042_en.pdf

- Andrew

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Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.

Call it what you want, but the fact is that GA airports more than pay
for themselves and support the economy.

That's for sure.

Our all-GA airport (Iowa City Municipal) contributes $5.7 million to the
local economy annually, for a yearly operational expense of around $180K.

Source: Iowa State University. Read it he

http://alexisparkinn.com/Iowa%202000...n_aviation.pdf

If only the rest of our government was so "expensive"...we'd all be
billionaires.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article .com,
wrote:

All produced for customers biased towards GA,

have you done any legitimate study?

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

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All produced for customers biased towards GA, using statements like
"estimates and multipliers".


What is your evidence that they were all produced for customers biased
towards GA?



The 190,000 operation of DuPage can afford another paying another $35
each and GET OFF MY PERSONAL HOME'S PROPERTY TAX BILL!


Only those that use DPA are paying to operate the airport. You are paying
nothing to operate the airport, even though you benefit from it's presence.
You are a moocher.

wrote:

All produced for customers biased towards GA, using statements like
"estimates and multipliers".

Uh huh. So those terms never otherwise show up in economics. Or you're
choosing to ignore facts. Ignorant, dishonest, or psychotic. Either way,
it matters not to me, as you're unwilling or unable to have a conversation.

- Andrew