Gross Weight

If you take off at 45 lbs. over gross in a 172 and are forced to immediately
return to the ground, assuming you don't change anything, such as draining
fuel or restarting the engine for some period, you will be over gross for an
infinite period.

But since nobody ever has to turn back, and no one ever lands "hard" in an
emergency, there's really nothing to worry about, is there?


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Jose" wrote in message
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As a practical matter, if being 45 pounds over gross makes the
difference
between somebody going or being left behind, I can tell you that
you'll
be as
popular as a turd in the punchbowl if you leave that person behind.

Leave some gas behind and alter your flight plan if necessary.

If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

If you take off 45 lbs. over in a 172 in how many minutes will you be at
gross?


Jose
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If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

If you take off 45 lbs. over in a 172 in how many minutes will you be at
gross?

Sixty or so, assuming you stay in the air. Which has nothing to do with
my question.

Jose
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And just what do you do with that 7 1/2 gallons of gas? Especially if
you are not at you home field.

And have you ever tried draining several gallons of fuel out of an
airplane? I know it is done but it typically is not that easy
especially at a remote location.

And after draining 7 1/2 gallons our of a Champ I only have 4 1/2
gallons left.

Brian

And just what do you do with that 7 1/2 gallons of gas? Especially if
you are not at you home field.

I suppose it depends how it got there.

And have you ever tried draining several gallons of fuel out of an
airplane?

Yes. For precisely those reasons.

And after draining 7 1/2 gallons our of a Champ I only have 4 1/2
gallons left.

Then it would be a short flight.

Jose
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Jose wrote:

How much is too much over gross weight? For example.....the 172 has a gross
weight of 2300 lbs, but what if you are 2345 at time of takeoff.....is that
too much over

My answer is that anything over book is too much. It nibbles away at
flight regimes that you might need, and discover too late that you are in.



As a practical matter, if being 45 pounds over gross makes the difference
between somebody going or being left behind, I can tell you that you'll be as
popular as a turd in the punchbowl if you leave that person behind.

As a former part 135 charter and cargo pilot, I can also tell you that you
wouldn't hold on to your job for long if you hold on to your principles so
tightly. Some leeway is expected, as nobody operates in the perfect world
except the FAA... and apparently, you.

Is that why you are a former charter and cargo pilot? :-)


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
As a former part 135 charter and cargo pilot, I can also tell you that you
wouldn't hold on to your job for long if you hold on to your principles so
tightly. Some leeway is expected, as nobody operates in the perfect world
except the FAA... and apparently, you.

Is that why you are a former charter and cargo pilot? :-)



Not even close. Nursing pays much better and the jobs are waiting for me in any
town I chose to visit. My last flying position ended in a pilot's meeting on a
Thursday telling us that the bank had taken our aircraft and it's been nice
knowing us. On Saturday I picked up a newspaper telling me that a new nursing
school had just been approved by the State Board and that they were taking
applications. I was on the phone to them on Monday. The rest is history.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

As a former part 135 charter and cargo pilot, I can also tell you that you
wouldn't hold on to your job for long if you hold on to your principles so
tightly. Some leeway is expected, as nobody operates in the perfect world
except the FAA... and apparently, you.

Is that why you are a former charter and cargo pilot? :-)




Not even close. Nursing pays much better and the jobs are waiting for me in any
town I chose to visit. My last flying position ended in a pilot's meeting on a
Thursday telling us that the bank had taken our aircraft and it's been nice
knowing us. On Saturday I picked up a newspaper telling me that a new nursing
school had just been approved by the State Board and that they were taking
applications. I was on the phone to them on Monday. The rest is history.

Yes, I pretty much figured this was the case ... hence the smiley!

Matt

Addressing this as an intellectual problem, "it depends". With CG in
the middle of its range, smooth air, low density altitude, aircraft and
engine in excellent condition, a long runway, and a pilot capable of
flying and landing smoothly, I'd guess most light planes would easily
handle 10% over certificated weight. Long range ferry pilots often
take off overloaded, and I understand it's also common practice in
Alaska, where many of the above conditions do not exist.

Interesting to see how many people get fired up about this. When you
fly, you have to use your brain for all aspects of the flight, not just
quote the rules.

When you fly, you have to use your brain for
all aspects of the flight, not just quote the rules.

Amen.

Right. I also like how you put that.

Fred

"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
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Addressing this as an intellectual problem, "it depends". With CG in
the middle of its range, smooth air, low density altitude, aircraft and
engine in excellent condition, a long runway, and a pilot capable of
flying and landing smoothly, I'd guess most light planes would easily
handle 10% over certificated weight. Long range ferry pilots often
take off overloaded, and I understand it's also common practice in
Alaska, where many of the above conditions do not exist.

Interesting to see how many people get fired up about this. When you
fly, you have to use your brain for all aspects of the flight, not just
quote the rules.