Gross Weight

LOL!

Fred


"Jose" wrote in message
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Exactly what we were discussing at work.....

I guess maybe it might relate to how many drinks can I have in a
specified period before driving home.....

Actually, I've found alcohol to be quite useful in aviation. In
situations where I'd be over gross, I have a few six-packs of beer. If
the pilot is already flying, then his weight can be subtracted from the
manifest, allowing more cargo, or more fuel. By getting the passengers
suitably high also, I can reclaim almost all the payload that way. So
then, after the passengers have boarded the airplane, I calculate how much
extra fuel each one represents, and have the FBO fill up one of those big
fifty gallon drums full and we load it into the cargo compartment... you
know, the one in the back that says "200 pounds max". Well, ok 50 gallons
is 300 pounds, but if we average that over the whole airframe we're only
25 pounds over per passenger (and the bigger the passenger, the less that
25 pounds is, percent wise). And more fuel makes you safer anyway.

So then I get on the runway, open the throttle, and climb as fast as I
can. Really pull back on that yoke - the plane should climb like a bat
out of hell, since it's virtually empty.

Remember - eight bottles, then throttle.

Jose
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If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

How about as far as airlines go over-weight on a daily basis as a
result of the FAA standard person not being equal to the actual load
they're dealing with? Not everyone weights 170lbs or whatever the
latest number is..........

"Jose" wrote in message
m...
As a practical matter, if being 45 pounds over gross makes the
difference
between somebody going or being left behind, I can tell you that you'll
be as
popular as a turd in the punchbowl if you leave that person behind.

Leave some gas behind and alter your flight plan if necessary.

If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

If you take off 45 lbs. over in a 172 in how many minutes will you be at
gross?


Jose
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If you take off at 45 lbs. over gross in a 172 and are forced to immediately
return to the ground, assuming you don't change anything, such as draining
fuel or restarting the engine for some period, you will be over gross for an
infinite period.

But since nobody ever has to turn back, and no one ever lands "hard" in an
emergency, there's really nothing to worry about, is there?


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
m...

"Jose" wrote in message
m...
As a practical matter, if being 45 pounds over gross makes the
difference
between somebody going or being left behind, I can tell you that
you'll
be as
popular as a turd in the punchbowl if you leave that person behind.

Leave some gas behind and alter your flight plan if necessary.

If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

If you take off 45 lbs. over in a 172 in how many minutes will you be at
gross?


Jose
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If your limit is 45 over gross, how far over your limit is ok?

If you take off 45 lbs. over in a 172 in how many minutes will you be at
gross?

Sixty or so, assuming you stay in the air. Which has nothing to do with
my question.

Jose
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And just what do you do with that 7 1/2 gallons of gas? Especially if
you are not at you home field.

And have you ever tried draining several gallons of fuel out of an
airplane? I know it is done but it typically is not that easy
especially at a remote location.

And after draining 7 1/2 gallons our of a Champ I only have 4 1/2
gallons left.

Brian

And just what do you do with that 7 1/2 gallons of gas? Especially if
you are not at you home field.

I suppose it depends how it got there.

And have you ever tried draining several gallons of fuel out of an
airplane?

Yes. For precisely those reasons.

And after draining 7 1/2 gallons our of a Champ I only have 4 1/2
gallons left.

Then it would be a short flight.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
And have you ever tried draining several gallons of fuel out of an
airplane?

Yes. For precisely those reasons.


I'm curious what you did with it, particularly if you were away from home. I
have a mental image of Cheech and Chong carrying a metal garbage can full of
purloined gas with paper and plastic trash floating at the top. G



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I'm curious what you did with it, particularly if you were away from home.

When I was at home base, the FBO drained it into a plastic tank which I
presume they have for that very purpose, and I assume they put it into
another airplane (it's clean gas) or saved it for us later.

Other times I've changed airplanes (to one with a bigger payload) and
when I was away and was overfueled, I had the FBO drain it and I don't
know what they did with it. But the procedure appears to be common
enough that they are prepared for it.

Jose
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Jose wrote:

How much is too much over gross weight? For example.....the 172 has a gross
weight of 2300 lbs, but what if you are 2345 at time of takeoff.....is that
too much over

My answer is that anything over book is too much. It nibbles away at
flight regimes that you might need, and discover too late that you are in.



As a practical matter, if being 45 pounds over gross makes the difference
between somebody going or being left behind, I can tell you that you'll be as
popular as a turd in the punchbowl if you leave that person behind.

As a former part 135 charter and cargo pilot, I can also tell you that you
wouldn't hold on to your job for long if you hold on to your principles so
tightly. Some leeway is expected, as nobody operates in the perfect world
except the FAA... and apparently, you.

Is that why you are a former charter and cargo pilot? :-)


Matt