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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

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In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park
surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard
for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be
the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million
people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the
citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due
just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so
there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing,
Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two
world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden,
god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were
to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than
that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

Actually it is in much better shape than in decades past. daley had to turn
things around in the loop as the rest of the world was passing chicago by
and businesses were leaving by the thousands. Quite a bit of it could burn
to the ground and the loss would be about $12. .

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

Oh, downstate like the place with all the FREEWAYS paid for by NE IL
drivers, sure I've been there. Loved those smells on the way to
Decatur.
Careful around the meth-labs, they go boom sometimes.

JG

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Many urban cities have similiar problems, and non-city dwellers should
feel
grateful that cities house some unwanted residents. Walmart would
want the land for free, plus additional subsidies.

JG

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
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wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park
surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard
for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be
the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million
people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the
citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due
just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so
there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing,
Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two
world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden,
god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were
to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than
that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Many urban cities have similiar problems, and non-city dwellers should
feel
grateful that cities house some unwanted residents. Walmart would
want the land for free, plus additional subsidies.

Give it to them. Think of the boon to the economy. New jobs, sales and
property tax revenue, etc. The city would be foolish not to give the
rundown drug and crime infested parks to Walmart.


JG

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I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

OK. THAT makes sense!

Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

And steal the money that the Federal government gave us to improve another
airport to build the park. Then claim the other airport is now too congested and
ask for even more money to "fix" that problem.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

George Patterson wrote:
Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

Not cleaning up is a citable violation. The plan is for a "Nature
Park". IMHO,
Shelter Island in San Diego Bay is a good mixed-use project.


And steal the money that the Federal government gave us to improve another
airport to build the park. Then claim the other airport is now too congested and
ask for even more money to "fix" that problem.

Speaking of the Feds:

"The closed El Toro Marine base officially became private property
Tuesday as Lennar Corp., which won the 3,700-acre former military
airfield in an auction in February, closed escrow with the Navy.

The nation's third largest home builder also signed a development
agreement with the city of Irvine, which annexed the base in 2003 and
named its redevelopment plan the Orange County Great Park.

Under the agreement, Lennar donated 1,375 acres of the land to Irvine
for parks and roads and other public uses and committed to pay $200
million in development fees to fund public works on the site.

In return, Lennar gained rights to build as many as 3,400 homes and 3
million square feet of commercial, industrial and office space."

The fences drop at another public facility, JG.

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George Patterson wrote:
Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport
that produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that
people can take their dogs to defacate..

Not cleaning up is a citable violation. The plan is for a "Nature
Park". IMHO,
Shelter Island in San Diego Bay is a good mixed-use project.



???? Shelter Island (note: not an island but more of a promontory) is
nothing but Hotels and private marinas....

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???? Shelter Island (note: not an island but more of a promontory) is
nothing but Hotels and private marinas....

IIRC, the eastt side of SI Drive is an open public park, the west side
has various private developments.

JG

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