Meigs now enjoyed by all!

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Its too crowded already, cars making right turns are frequently blocked
by pedestrians.


The parks aren't crowded.

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Andrew Gideon wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting. How
well
are they served?

Beyond which, anyone that would be willing to pay to be flown via
private
charter is forced to use the further, busier, and more congested
airports.
How many dollars is that costing that city, as business executives etc.
choose to spend their money in more friendly towns?

Remember: to these people time is money. They may not care about
Chicago's
vandalism, but they do care that Chicago is willing to cost them time.
So
elsewhere they go.

And, of course, the dollars they're not spending in Chicago are also not
being spent again by the people in Chicago not receiving them. But
that's
a multiplier, and the OP has already explained that this is too complex
a
concept (ie. Econ 101) to follow.

Its too crowded already, cars making right turns are frequently blocked
by pedestrians.

"Travel to Chicago surpassed pre-9/11 levels for the first time last
year, with domestic leisure travelers leading the surge and
contributing to healthy weekend occupancy rates at downtown hotels.

A record 31.9 million visitors flocked to the city, a 7 percent
increase over 2003 and a slight rise above 2000 levels, according to
estimates the Chicago Convention and Tourism Bureau will release
Tuesday.

"This speaks volumes to the fact that things are improving," said
Christopher Bowers, chief executive of the bureau. "Our location helps
and our facilities--Navy Pier, McCormick Place, our hotels, our
cultural venues, our restaurants, Millennium Park--they help amplify
it."
....
Domestic business travel grew by 5.5 percent over 2003, but at 13.2
million visitors it remained below the 2000 level of 13.9 million.

The convention bureau has not yet released 2004 data on attendance at
trade and consumer shows, which has been declining since 2000.

The bureau did release other data, however, showing that the number of
group meeting travelers has remained fairly constant since 2000.

And while the comeback in domestic business travel has been more muted
than for leisure travel, Chicago ranked as the No. 1 business travel
city last year, ahead of Orlando and New York, according to D.K.
Shifflet.

The city also saw a 20.6 percent increase in travelers from overseas,
to 935,000. This remains below the 2000 level of 1.35 million."

Stay away, we're full, NUMBER 1 in business travel--JG

A bit of the fox telling the farmer what a good job he has done guarding the
hen house. Drivel hardly worth reading except for comic relief.

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

That would make 30,000 that have shown an interest in piloting. How well
are they served?

Beyond which, anyone that would be willing to pay to be flown via private
charter is forced to use the further, busier, and more congested airports.
How many dollars is that costing that city, as business executives etc.
choose to spend their money in more friendly towns?

Remember: to these people time is money. They may not care about Chicago's
vandalism, but they do care that Chicago is willing to cost them time. So
elsewhere they go.

And, of course, the dollars they're not spending in Chicago are also not
being spent again by the people in Chicago not receiving them. But that's
a multiplier, and the OP has already explained that this is too complex a
concept (ie. Econ 101) to follow.

Well, some creatures will be flying on NI:

"The Chicago Park District agreed this month to convert part of the old
airport terminal at Meigs Field into the city's first wildlife
rehabilitation center. Located within earshot of the new Charter One
Pavilion on Northerly Island, the facility will provide emergency care
to hundreds of birds found injured in the Loop. Organizers hope to open
the facility by the end of July or early August.

The plan is in the early stages, and the location is likely temporary
as Park District officials craft the 78-acre peninsula into a multisite
nature preserve."


- Andrew

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
.com,
wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park
surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard
for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be
the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million
people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the
citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due
just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so
there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing,
Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two
world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden,
god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were
to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than
that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

Actually it is in much better shape than in decades past. daley had to turn
things around in the loop as the rest of the world was passing chicago by
and businesses were leaving by the thousands. Quite a bit of it could burn
to the ground and the loss would be about $12. .

So Stadt-ville is offering to build affordable housing for low income
people?
$100 Millions worth of condos going up west of Meigs.

JG

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So Stadt-ville is offering to build affordable housing for low income
people?
$100 Millions worth of condos going up west of Meigs.

JG

Don't forget the south side. Lots of redevelopment potential down there
also. Think of all the low income housing that could have been built or
rehab work that could have been done with millenium park money. How many
tens of millions of dollars was that project over budget? How many west
and south siders get to use it? If maggie was a true humanitarian she
should have had dickey build low income housing on northerly island. How
far do you think that would have gotten with the down town jet setters?

$100 million is a drop in the bucket. That's maybe 200 to 300 units, not
even worth mentioning really.

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So Stadt-ville is offering to build affordable housing for low income
people?
$100 Millions worth of condos going up west of Meigs.

JG

By your own reasoning, "affordable housing" just attracts "moochers," so
you don't want THAT.

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:


Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

Oh, downstate like the place with all the FREEWAYS paid for by NE IL
drivers, sure I've been there. Loved those smells on the way to
Decatur.
Careful around the meth-labs, they go boom sometimes.

JG