"Refusing to Handle You"

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

And you're just being Steven.


Thank you.



It's not the weather that prompted the exchange, it was Potomac's refusal
to accept the flight.


Weather was his reason for the route through Potomac approach.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:45:23 GMT, Jose
wrote:

That is what's happening. The pilots of all those air carrier jets
streaming through the airspace you want to use are getting what they want.
Traffic flows are dictated by air carrier needs because they're the biggest
users.

Some time back, in a different thread (about angelflight) you stated
that angelflight did not get any priority, and continued to say that
aircraft are handled on a first-come first-served basis. Your statement
above seems to contradict that (otherwise I could just be scooted in
front of the next jet that's not there yet).

Well, how often is an air carrier flying low enough to be in approach
airspace for an airport they're not landing at? Gets back to "they
have to deal with arrivals, not throughflights".

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

"State intentions": "what are you going to do?" (controller has
hands-off stance)


State

tr.v. stat·ed, stat·ing, states

To set forth in words; declare.


In·ten·tion

n.

1. A course of action that one intends to follow.
2. An aim that guides action; an objective.


So, "State intentions": "Declare a course of action that you intend to
follow." (controller wants to know what the pilot would like to do)

The phrases "say intentions" and "state intentions" are not standard
phraseology. The phrase "advise intentions" is standard phraseology", the
Pilot/Controller Glossary defines it as "tell me what you plan to do." "Say
intentions" is far more common than "advise intentions", however.



Got it. I'd have to know (or suspect) that the reason they are =refusing=
to accept me is that they (as a matter of policy) don't take thruflights,
and not that they are balled up by the weather, or don't like the position
of my wings, or just don't feel like doing whatever it takes to squeeze me
through. I would never (prior to this exchange) suspected that "they just
don't do
thruflights" or "today they aren't doing thruflights".


It comes with experience.



Some time back, in a different thread (about angelflight) you stated that
angelflight did not get any priority, and continued to say that aircraft
are handled on a first-come first-served basis. Your statement above
seems to contradict that (otherwise I could just be scooted in front of
the next jet that's not there yet).


No contradiction. Aircraft are routed based on performance and destination,
within those parameters they're handled on a first-come, first served-basis.



Yes in this case, if they are "unable" to handle me because of all the
jets that haven't gotten there yet. They are unable to handle me =and=
give the jets priority. If what you say is operative, they are
=unwilling= to not give the jets priority in order to let me through.


They're coming in a steady stream. There's no room to let you through.
What you're asking for is akin to crossing a busy interstate on a bicycle.