737 off runway, Pearson Toronto

Happy Dog wrote:

That seems to be cutting it really close. Does anyone know if company rules
usually require more than the FAA mins?

Do company rules apply when a pilot declares an emergency?

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On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:19:58 GMT, Maule Driver
wrote:

The alternative would have been something like, "KLM: we have a low
fuel emergency, request diversion for immediate landing",

Surely EMERGENCY is a more serious call than PAN? All the P-word does
is tell everyone: shut up and listen to what I have to say.


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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:19:58 GMT, Maule Driver
wrote:

The alternative would have been something like, "KLM: we have a low
fuel emergency, request diversion for immediate landing",

Surely EMERGENCY is a more serious call than PAN? All the P-word does
is tell everyone: shut up and listen to what I have to say.

No, according to AIM 6-1-2a and the P/CG, "pan-pan" declares an urgency
condition, which *is* an emergency condition. But it is a less immediate
emergency than a distress condition, which is signaled by "mayday". (The
transponder code 7700 is used to signal *either* a distress or urgency
condition, according to AIM 6-3-2a2b).

--Gary

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 01:19:58 GMT, Maule Driver
wrote:

The alternative would have been something like, "KLM: we have a low
fuel emergency, request diversion for immediate landing",

Surely EMERGENCY is a more serious call than PAN? All the P-word does
is tell everyone: shut up and listen to what I have to say.


I thought P-P-P was equivalent to "MAYDAY", which (I thought??) is an
abbreviation for declaring an emergency.

Dave opined

Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.

If true, the fly by wire advocates are going to be embarrassed.

"Skywise" wrote in message
...
CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian
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In article ,
"Ash Wyllie" wrote:

Dave opined

Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.

If true, the fly by wire advocates are going to be embarrassed.

"Skywise" wrote in message
...
CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Another phenomenon not mention so far is the 180 degree wind shift that
often occurs when a T-storm passes overhead. The cell is drawing air
from around it and can cause a sudden reversal in surface winds as it
passes overhead. Couple that with wind shears and downdrafts and you
have a "devil's mix" of atmosphere.

Dave,

Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.


And who exactly would "report" that, right after the accident? Please
folks, get a grip.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

An eyewitness to the landing and crash. He was watching the plane land, saw
a bolt of lighting hit the top, then the plane went out of control.

Thats what was said. It may or may not be true, but this is what was
reported.

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dave,

Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.


And who exactly would "report" that, right after the accident? Please
folks, get a grip.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Dave,

An eyewitness to the landing and crash.


My point was that the witness could have seen the lightning strike, but
he could definitely not have known if and how much the plane or the
pilots "lost all control".

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Skywise,

Luftanasa 737


Man, you need glasses or something. The spelling is "Lufthansa". And
the plane is an Air France Airbus. Please pay at least minimal
attention to the facts. Thank you.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)