Mild Aerobatics

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:46:13 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
I knew a pilot with a Commanche that put 50 pounds of lead in the tail
cone. It made it go faster. Really not that much faster, but the
plane flew better. That was also a long time ago! And I loved flying
that Commanche.

How about spinning it?

moo


Not a good idea. Even Cherokees take a lot of altitude to recover
from a spin.

Mike Weller

"Mike Weller"
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:46:13 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
I knew a pilot with a Commanche that put 50 pounds of lead in the tail
cone. It made it go faster. Really not that much faster, but the
plane flew better. That was also a long time ago! And I loved flying
that Commanche.

How about spinning it?

Not a good idea. Even Cherokees take a lot of altitude to recover
from a spin.

I was being facetious. Did he do a W&B on the thing?

moo

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:49:13 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote:

"Mike Weller"
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:46:13 -0400, "Happy Dog"
wrote:

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
I knew a pilot with a Commanche that put 50 pounds of lead in the tail
cone. It made it go faster. Really not that much faster, but the
plane flew better. That was also a long time ago! And I loved flying
that Commanche.

How about spinning it?

Not a good idea. Even Cherokees take a lot of altitude to recover
from a spin.

I was being facetious. Did he do a W&B on the thing?

moo


I understand that, but it's a true story. Long ago, but not far away.

I've been a passenger on a Shorts Skyvan where to get the weight and
balance right we had to sit in the very back of the airplane.

Mike Weller

If you've ever looked at the stabilator attachment on a Cherokee you will
marvel at the simplicity and apparent fragility of the design, so inducing
excessive negative-G is something we never, ever do.

Don't ever look closely at a helicopter.

And for you die-hard Cessna fans, don't EVER look at the wing spar attach
points... You'll never do a steep turn in your 172/182 again!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

If you've ever looked at the stabilator attachment on a Cherokee you will
marvel at the simplicity and apparent fragility of the design, so inducing
excessive negative-G is something we never, ever do.

Don't ever look closely at a helicopter.


And for you die-hard Cessna fans, don't EVER look at the wing spar attach
points... You'll never do a steep turn in your 172/182 again!

I have. What is the problem? :-)

Matt

And for you die-hard Cessna fans, don't EVER look at the wing spar attach
points... You'll never do a steep turn in your 172/182 again!

I have. What is the problem? :-)

Well, to my (admittedly un-trained) eye, there doesn't appear to be enough
"there" there...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote
Well, to my (admittedly un-trained) eye, there doesn't appear to be
enough "there" there...

Each 10,000# engine on the B-707 was attached with three (3)
bolts the size of your small finger! Never lost one.

Bob

Jay Honeck wrote:

And for you die-hard Cessna fans, don't EVER look at the wing spar attach
points... You'll never do a steep turn in your 172/182 again!

I have. What is the problem? :-)


Well, to my (admittedly un-trained) eye, there doesn't appear to be enough
"there" there...

:-)

Ha, ha, ha. I guess being an engineer, I figured there was enough. :-)

Personally, I much prefer strut braced wings as any engineer (and many
non-engineers!) know that a triangle is one of natures favorites
structurally. A cantilever requires more weight for equivalent
strength. I always took great comfort looking out at those struts on my
182 when I was getting bounced around unmercifully over the Allegheny's
on a windy day.


Matt

And, as a wise old pilot once observed, the flight envelope is altitude
going up and airspeed going right. We mostly push the upper right corner of
the envelope. And that is also where the stamp gets cancelled.

Jim



". You have
a POH that offers you figures to follow that define your flight envelope,
then you have the reality involved with an aging airplane.

"RST Engineering" wrote

And that is also where the stamp gets cancelled.

Groan!
--
Jim in NC