Is this legal for a private pilot?

Yossarian wrote:

I\'m an instrument rated private pilot. My CFI was going to fly with
one of his student pilots to an airport an hour away to go to the
student\'s vacation home, providing instruction along the way. Then he
would leave the student there for a couple days, and return to pick the
student up.

Now the CFI can\'t make it and wants to know if I will make the trip
instead. I would pay for half the flight expenses and of course be PIC
for both flights. Is this legal?

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"Yossarian" wrote:

I'm an instrument rated private pilot. My CFI was going to fly with
one of his student pilots to an airport an hour away to go to the
student's vacation home, providing instruction along the way. Then he
would leave the student there for a couple days, and return to pick the
student up.

Now the CFI can't make it and wants to know if I will make the trip
instead. I would pay for half the flight expenses and of course be PIC
for both flights. Is this legal?

Just curious, how would the FAA know whether you were paid or for what
amount?

Corky Scott

T o d d P a t t i s t wrote:

They only know if someone tells them - just like someone
told the FAA in all the NTSB cases on this subject.

While this is frequently the case, there are also violations that start because
an examiner happened to be in the FBO when people started settling up the bill.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

And my response would have been:

"Of course not, it was good to see your mom again, I would never take money
from you for that!"

Then after we leave, on the ride home, I would explain why I said that, and
figure it out from the point on.

Dave

"T o d d P a t t i s t" wrote in message
...
George Patterson wrote:

They only know if someone tells them - just like someone
told the FAA in all the NTSB cases on this subject.

While this is frequently the case, there are also violations that start
because
an examiner happened to be in the FBO when people started settling up the
bill.

True. Of course, even there, what usually happens is the
FAA official asks. Even if the pilot keeps his mouth shut,
the passenger may not.

In the simplest of situations, a passenger can put you into
the wringer. With the most innocent of motives, you take
your friend flying. He wants to see his mom's house and the
airport near where he grew up. You suggest landing there
and eating lunch before refueling and returning.

You fly out there, but unbeknownst to you he's called his
mom to come out, watch the landing, and Oh, BTW, would she
bring out that pack of mail she's been trying to get him
home to pick up. Now you fly home, pay the $270 rental
bill, not even intending to ask for 50% and your friend,
looking over your should says: "I guess I owe you $270 for
flying me home to see Mom and pick up that mail!" Guess
who's standing there just finishing up the CFI flight test -
the friendly FAA :-)

Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will
return to earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut.

(first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer)

"Dave" wrote in message
...
And my response would have been:

"Of course not, it was good to see your mom again, I would never take
money
from you for that!"

Then after we leave, on the ride home, I would explain why I said that,
and
figure it out from the point on.

Dave

Better yet explain it up front before either of you get to the airport. A
pilot not smart enough to figure that out deserves to get caught. I still
say if the friend wants to pay he should give you a nice check in your next
birthday card which just by chance happened to get sent months before your
birthday.

Better yet explain it up front before either of you get to the airport. A
pilot not smart enough to figure that out deserves to get caught.

This presumes the pilot has in the front of his mind that he is doing
something a little shady. He's not doing anything shady, so there's no
reason to "explain" before we get to the airport that we shouldn't be
mentioning certain things at the FBO.

Jose
--
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except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
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On 16 Aug 2005 11:41:12 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote:


Gary Drescher wrote:
"Yossarian" wrote in message
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I'm an instrument rated private pilot. My CFI was going to fly with
one of his student pilots to an airport an hour away to go to the
student's vacation home, providing instruction along the way. Then he
would leave the student there for a couple days, and return to pick the
student up.

Now the CFI can't make it and wants to know if I will make the trip
instead. I would pay for half the flight expenses and of course be PIC
for both flights. Is this legal?

It sounds doubtful; you'd essentially be providing air taxi services to
someone you don't know.


Would it also be considered air taxi for the CFI?

It's an instructional flight.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 16 Aug 2005 10:31:32 -0700, "Yossarian"
wrote:

I'm an instrument rated private pilot. My CFI was going to fly with
one of his student pilots to an airport an hour away to go to the
student's vacation home, providing instruction along the way. Then he
would leave the student there for a couple days, and return to pick the
student up.

Now the CFI can't make it and wants to know if I will make the trip
instead. I would pay for half the flight expenses and of course be PIC
for both flights. Is this legal?


Tis a slippery slope.

Think of it this way:
If you are planning on going up to an airport, you hear another pilot
or student wants to go to the same airport, you can offer him a ride
(whether you know him or not) as his going along is incidental to
"your" trip. He can even offer to pay for half the gas.

OTOH if he's looking for a ride up to that airport and mentions it to
you then the very same trip is not legal as his going is the purpose
of the trip.

Back to first case and you *really* were planning the trip and every
thing went as in the first paragraph. Then passenger brags to some
one that you flew him up there and it only cost (what ever half what
ever the gas was) Word gets back to the FAA and you are in deep doggie
do.

When I give people rides, unless I know them very well, I don't even
share the cost of gas. If I give some one a ride to another airport
it's because I had planned on going there and I make sure they and
others around the airport know I had planned on going.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com