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Old August 22nd 05, 04:18 PM
James Ricks
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Here's an easy way to make sure you never run out of gas


Have a 4-hour bladder and 5 hours of fuel.

Jim Ricks


1. Refuel after every flight. You will be ready to go for your next flight,
and can rest assured that you have gas on board. (Renters will have to
switch this to refueling BEFORE every flight.)

2. Install a fuel totalizer. They are cheap (in aviation money), and will
tell you your fuel usage to within a few ounces. (Sorry, renters. Get on
the FBO to install one.)

3. Never try to stretch your range. Bite the bullet, land and buy gas.

4. Measure your gas with your watch, never your fuel gauges.

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Old August 22nd 05, 09:23 PM
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And saying something as misinformed as this is worse yet. 99.9% of the
"crap" is heavier than fuel, and sinks, so it is the FIRST thing out of the
tanks, not the last. The 0.1% that is still left floating is eventually
going to be visible in the filler neck.

Get a life, not a totalizer.

Jim


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4Z9Oe.272046$_o.92006@attbi_s71...


Running a tank dry probably won't lead to anything worse than sucking all
the crap out of your gas tanks -- but you're missing my point.



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Old August 22nd 05, 10:23 PM
Mark T. Dame
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Jay Honeck wrote:

4. Measure your gas with your watch, never your fuel gauges.


Are those the little gauges on either side of the fuel pressure gauge
with needles that move from right to left as you as you fly? I thought
those measured how tired the plane was: make sure you land before they
all reach zero or the plane will take a nap.

I trust my fuel gauges like I trust the IRS to help me with my taxes.
They'll tell me when I'm in deep doo-doo, but they won't keep me from
getting there.


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Old August 22nd 05, 10:33 PM
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"Mark T. Dame" wrote in message
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I trust my fuel gauges like I trust the IRS to help me with my taxes.
They'll tell me when I'm in deep doo-doo, but they won't keep me from
getting there.



Luv it! Can I quote you on that?


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Old August 23rd 05, 04:46 AM
Jay Honeck
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I trust my fuel gauges like I trust the IRS to help me with my taxes.
They'll tell me when I'm in deep doo-doo, but they won't keep me from
getting there.



Luv it! Can I quote you on that?


Most excellent. Me, too?

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Old August 23rd 05, 02:58 PM
Mark T. Dame
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I trust my fuel gauges like I trust the IRS to help me with my taxes.
They'll tell me when I'm in deep doo-doo, but they won't keep me from
getting there.


Luv it! Can I quote you on that?


Most excellent. Me, too?


Quote away. That and $5.00 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. (-:


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Old August 23rd 05, 08:14 PM
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Hi Jay

You missed #5 and #6

#5. check the fuel level before every flight. with a little research I
bet I could find the NTSB report where the Arrow crashed on its 2nd
time around the pattern after being refueled the night before. NTSB
report doesn't say, but sounds like fuel was stolen or leaked out
overnight.

#6 Drain excess fuel becuase you have been reading the Do you fly over
Gross Thread.

Just a quick note. I agree that running tanks dry on a regular basis is
a very bad idea. However I think running tank dry under controlled
conditions can be very educational and safe. BTW. That is all that John
D was proposing in his artical as well.

You would be surprised at how many students have been taught to
simulate trying the starter after an engine failure and how many don't
switch fuel tanks at the 1st sign of an engine failure.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL

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Old August 24th 05, 12:49 AM
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You would be surprised at how many students have been taught to
simulate trying the starter after an engine failure and how many don't
switch fuel tanks at the 1st sign of an engine failure.


I had a tank run dry unexpectedly on me; I've never seen myself hit the
mixture, carb heat, fuel selector, fuel pump, and have my hand on the
mags so fast! It was =way= different from the simulations my CFI pulled.

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Old August 24th 05, 10:23 PM
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I had a tank run dry unexpectedly on me; I've never seen myself hit the
mixture, carb heat, fuel selector, fuel pump, and have my hand on the mags
so fast! It was =way= different from the simulations my CFI pulled.


Same here. I didn't think it was possible to change tanks as fast as I
did -- but a little adrenaline goes a long way!
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Old August 24th 05, 11:49 PM
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I had a tank run dry unexpectedly on me; I've never seen myself hit the
mixture, carb heat, fuel selector, fuel pump, and have my hand on the mags
so fast! It was =way= different from the simulations my CFI pulled.


Jay Honeck wrote:
Same here. I didn't think it was possible to change tanks as fast as I
did -- but a little adrenaline goes a long way!


I tend to remember what I read in The Blue Sheet a few years ago.
An airliner was flying along when suddenly an alarm sounded and a light
began to flash. The first officer looks over at the pilot, ready to
respond to his commands. As the seconds tick by, the FO observes the
pilot sitting there, winding his watch. Finally, the FO cannot stand the
wait any longer and queries the captain, "Shouldn't we do something? Why
are you just sitting there winding your watch?"
To which the captain replies, "I never killed anyone winding my watch."
 




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