Stop whining, America!

Matt Barrow wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
But we fought Iraq for cheap oil!!!
So why don't we have it? Hint: we purchase oil on the world market
like everybody else. OPEC sets the price.

"Stubby" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message But we fought Iraq for
cheap oil!!!

So why don't we have it? Hint: we purchase oil on the world market like
everybody else. OPEC sets the price.

Bravo for pointing this out...

If our actions in the Middle East are only about "cheap oil", why didn't we
completely take over Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq after the first Gulf War
.... declare ourselves the "owners" of the Middle East and just take it all
without buying any?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Arizona Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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"Stubby" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message But we fought Iraq for
cheap oil!!!

So why don't we have it? Hint: we purchase oil on the world market
like
everybody else. OPEC sets the price.

Bravo for pointing this out...

If our actions in the Middle East are only about "cheap oil", why didn't
we
completely take over Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq after the first Gulf
War
... declare ourselves the "owners" of the Middle East and just take it all
without buying any?


Before the war was started what I was hearing was that it was about the oil.
Not in the sense of cheap oil for the consumer, but to make life better for
the oil companies. Obviously, that theory was wrong since oil is basically
free now, and the oil companies are filing for bankruptcy.

"MB" == Matt Barrow writes:
MB Gee..the prices went up WORLD WIDE! Is he president of the
MB World?

He thinks he is.

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:56:19 -0700, Bob Fry wrote:

MB Gee..the prices went up WORLD WIDE! Is he president of the
MB World?

He thinks he is.

yes, but only because his god has said him so.

#m

--
The most likely way for the world to be destroyed,
most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we
come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.
-- Nathaniel Borenstein

SNIP
It was the major factor in my decision to sell my flying club share; I'm
out.

SNIP
Fuel went up 50% in the past year with a well-connected-to-the-oil-companies
president at the helm, with these same companies making record profits. The
agenda is not-so-hidden, is it?

SNIP
Definitely do it while you can. Fuel aside, GA is nearing it's end. Go
Bush! And take Cheney with you.

Wait a minute -- you whine like a stuck pig throughout your post, and
then have the poor taste to change the subject line to "Stop whining,
JAY!"???

The economy is grand, business is sky-high, the flying is awesome, the
plane is running great, and gas is still 1/3 of what our counterparts
in Europe are paying -- and you're complaining? Quit whining, and go
FLY.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 26 Aug 2005 12:24:44 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

The economy is grand,

huh?

business is sky-high,

really? where?

the flying is awesome, the

true!

plane is running great, and gas is still 1/3 of what our counterparts
in Europe are paying -- and you're complaining? Quit whining, and go
FLY.

and most of the price difference is tax. but you also have to calculate
what our government indirectly pays for us using our tax money and what you
have to pay on your own using your own money.

#m

--
The most likely way for the world to be destroyed,
most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we
come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.
-- Nathaniel Borenstein

Hey Marty,
Are you staying high and dry?

The economy is grand,

huh?

Compared to what my parents lived through, our economy is the epitome of
efficiency and success.

business is sky-high,

really? where?

Here!

plane is running great, and gas is still 1/3 of what our counterparts
in Europe are paying

and most of the price difference is tax. but you also have to calculate
what our government indirectly pays for us using our tax money and what
you
have to pay on your own using your own money.

I already pay taxes on everything -- including the air I'm breathing. The
last thing we need is more taxes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:22:19 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

I already pay taxes on everything -- including the air I'm breathing.

what'S the name of this tax? The Iowa breathing tax? 'Breath less, save
money!' :-)

The last thing we need is more taxes.

what you might need are oecological [sp?] taxes: higher taxes on (fuel)
inefficient houses/cars/whatever and benefits for insulation, fuel
efficient cars, car sharing, etc. - then, when you use all the benefits you
should come out ahead - money wise, at least it should be cost-neutral.
those who don't improve their houses etc. will pay more.
but this should then also be true for the whole country; this is one idea
of the Kyoto treaty, IMHO. it might not be perfect, but it is a start.

and saving energy is also an economic argument: you aren't that dependent
on energy. if you have to spent less on heating/cooling at your hotel
because of a new insulation, then you won't have many problems on keeping
your rates constant. But you will have to increase your room rates when
your costs for heating/cooling rises 20 or 30%.

#m

--
The most likely way for the world to be destroyed,
most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we
come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents.
-- Nathaniel Borenstein