Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

Jay Honeck wrote:

Perhaps we should arm the copter with machine guns and fire back?


No, that would be barbaric.

However, I am continually amazed at the vociferous opposition to actually
controlling our borders. For some reason the ACLU and a host of other
do-gooder organizations find it anathema for America to actually restrict
immigration to legal immigrants only -- a fact that baffles me.

We are friends with a family from Columbia. They came to America the hard
way -- legally -- and have struggled over the last decade with obtaining
green cards for their family members, and with becoming American citizens.
It has been a tough row to hoe, and they are rightfully proud of their
efforts and status.

They are also the most vocally anti-Mexican group of people I have EVER
known. Their attitude toward illegal immigrants borders on Fascist -- they
simply despise them for cheating and taking the easy way -- at what they see
as their expense -- and I am sure they would advocate following this
poster's (I hope) tongue-in-cheek suggestion to arm the border patrol
helicopters with machine guns.

But what is so wrong with stopping illegal immigration? Why is it okay to
fly helicopters up and down the Rio Grande 24/7 -- at huge expense -- but
building a fence is seen as some sort of "Berlin Wall"-type of deal?


In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

It's hypocrisy.

All Americans are already illegals, or the children of illegals, or
of those who have written laws to legalise their occupation of
Indian lands themselves. If it wasn't so disgusting, it would be
almost as funny as the guy who got a hard time entering at
Australian customs when asked if he had a criminal record, when he
replied "Is that still a requirement?"

What's that on the statue of liberty? "Send me your poor, your
downtrodden,..." Yes, them French got a funny sense of humour, all
right.

Some people got no sense at all.

Of course, no one should expect anything better from those who sign
international trade agreements and then ignore them, or who invade
foreign countries on any manufactured excuse at all, as governmental
policy dictated by commercial lobbies. I expect that right thinking
Americans would protest this chicanery in their governmental affairs.

Share the wealth or have it stolen. We are all in this together.

Tolerating illegals, even employing them because it lowers the wage
expectations of legal Mexican workers? Disgusting!

The only option left to the oppressed is surrender, infiltration and
sabotage. It's called homing chickens, or something, isn't it?

What was he doing, flying so low and close to desperate, hostiles,
economic refugees? Where the vigilantees so lazy they didn't want to
run the extra few feet to beat up some wetbacks? Is he so totally
unused to thinking that basic common sense is alien to him?

A starving man has a right to steal food from the fat. If he has
starving children, it becomes his duty, if there are no other options.

How about you? Think much? Ever heard of the golden rule?

Strange, how it all reminds me of a line from "The Worst of the
Jefferson Airplane" : "Let's not register him."

Must all Americans now wear numbers?

JWB is hundreds of years behind the Scriptures, as are some others,
it seems. What will it mean to you when your world is ending?

It is not illegal to be poor.

There is no need for a government to control every aspect of life.

Excessive taxes are wasted on war chasing the wrong fuel?

Why did the levee break? How many companies are now relieved of
their lagoon contents? Who gained from this?

Why are people in New Orleans not all driving hydrogen dirigibles
fuelled with cheap solar cell derived hydrogen? Why do their
concrete basements not float?

Could it be lack of foresight?

When will the next "hundred year storm" strike?

Could a manufacturing industry based on petroleum make do with
hydrogen from solar cell shingles in lieu of some feedstocks?

Should plastic stuff be repairable?

Are you aware it is possible to recycle sewage, electrolyzing the
water to make hydrogen from sunshine, and that dry killed dung is
good fertilizer, odourless, especially for animal feedstocks,
ethelene corn, commonly called cow corn, is used to make another
fuel, corn oil.

Some areas of New Orleans should be cropland. It is sad, I know, and
I am sorry to speak so soon, but plans must go forward.

Some vehicles should be really fuel efficient, cheap, and not taxed
like personal transport guzzler tanks. I personally would like a
backwards tricycle "bike" with two lawn chairs, rain canvas, and a
single rear mounted battery powered "Wheel motor / regenerative
brake", like on the Eliica car. These motors are easy to make,
efficient, and are made and used by the "End of the road" people,
somewhere, from old brake disks and glued on magnets to make
windmills. The automotive motor adapter, electronic controllers,
are really simple, actually. Many "boomer" car stereos use more
power transistors and magnets.

What new industries?

Terry K -SofDevCo- Communications is our most valuable resource.

I am sorry to jump on this bandwagon so quick, but some things have
got to be done soon, and plans must look forward.

Terry Spragg wrote:

In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

Kennewick Man was here before them...
http://www.friendsofpast.org

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

I seriously doubt those who say this, really believe it.

You're condeming Americans as bad people who have no right to a civilized
society, while justifying anarchy.

Your comparison disregards historical context and completely ignores
America's (legal) immigrant past. Colonization and our westward expansion
are history now, and since then we've established the most successful
country in the world.

If you really feel this way, human history must look pretty bleak to you -
and it must very difficult to get up every morning.

What's that on the statue of liberty? "Send me your poor, your
downtrodden,..." Yes, them French got a funny sense of humour, all
right.

It's a monument to legal immigration - not chaos. The joke's on you.

Frankie

On 2005-08-31, Frankie wrote:
If you really feel this way, human history must look pretty bleak to you -
and it must very difficult to get up every morning.

Much of human history IS pretty bleak. As a species, we generally are
extremely unpleasant to each other for often the most flimsy of
justifications (which really boil down to greed at the end of the day)

However, having a bleak history doesn't mean it's difficult to get up in
the morning. It is still possible to make a better future!

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

It's hypocrisy.

Psssst Terry....you need to study history a little better. There is strong
evidence the Indians killed off earlier civilizations using the very
techniques you mentioned. They also had no qualms about killing each other
in what ever horrible method they could think up.

Exactly my thought:

Just shoot back...

Jay B

All they have to do is go down to our local Home Depot and they could pick
up 200 of them on any day of the week. Now if they pull a truck over with
10-15 it makes the news. I just dont get it.
I do think there is going to be some sort of crack down. There is a lot of
talk on the radio these days.

Aluckyguess wrote:
All they have to do is go down to our local Home Depot and they could pick
up 200 of them on any day of the week.

They could get quite a few at the train station in Red Bank, NJ.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Ain't it weird!
We all seem to know where they are but our Homeland Security doesn't?
Around 11 million they say, and can not find them. Hmmm is it just me or
does common sense say if you can't stop illegals at the border or find 11
million already here Osama himself could walk across the border and we would
never know it..well until something else blows up! Makes all these subway
searches and crap look real stupid in my book.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Aluckyguess wrote:
All they have to do is go down to our local Home Depot and they could
pick up 200 of them on any day of the week.

They could get quite a few at the train station in Red Bank, NJ.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Farmers were upset in Arizona. They did a crack down and there were not
enough laborers to pick the fields. I heard they eased up a bit to help them
out.