Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

In article ne.com,
Andrew Gideon wrote:

Am I following this correctly? Homeland security, having failed to handle
the problem of illegal immigration, deported *legal* immigrants?

Based upon this, I need to take a better look at my neighbors. Bin Laden is
probably living in some suburban US town watching CNN. The largest threat
to his health is that he'll kill himself laughing at our "war against
terrorism".


Very nicely put.

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Eduardo K. |
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Aluckyguess wrote:
Farmers were upset in Arizona. They did a crack down and there were not
enough laborers to pick the fields. I heard they eased up a bit to help them
out.

Ohio has a problem now.
Not enough migrants came to Ohio this summer to pick cucumbers. Over 25%
of this years crop is rotting in the fields.

Ohio has a problem now.
Not enough migrants came to Ohio this summer to pick cucumbers. Over 25%
of this years crop is rotting in the fields.

And now they're in a real pickle...

(Sorry!)

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Aluckyguess opined

Farmers were upset in Arizona. They did a crack down and there were not
enough laborers to pick the fields. I heard they eased up a bit to help them
out.

1) Secure the border.

2) Boot the illegals.

then

3) A guest worker program.




-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...
Anyway, the very real reason why no politician is willing to touch this
issue is because the US economy has become dependent on cheap illegal
labor. So to adjust ash's proposal:

2a) Huge price increases in all domestic products due to regular wages
being paid
2b) Consumers pick cheaper imported merchandise
2c) US companies fold or go overseas
Thus
3) No need for guest worker program

- Marco

There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...

Yes, there is. But never before have new immigrants so arrogantly
*expected* everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

When my ancestors arrived in America, in 1852, they spoke only German. They
attended German language schools during the day, took English classes at
night, and lived in ghettos where they could speak their native tongue
comfortably -- not unlike the barrios of today.

But the difference was, NO ONE expected the American taxpayers to foot the
bill for their bi-lingual education. No one expected signage to be written
in both languages, at the inconvenience and expense of the natives. And
they certainly would never have dreamed of all the bi-lingual crap we must
deal with every day, from ATMs to voice mail systems.

Everyone understood that English was the coin of the realm They either
learned English within six months of landing at Ellis Island -- or they
failed. It was that simple.

AND they arrived legally, by the way. While this is apparently not a
difference that is appreciated by many today, in my book it's a HUGE
difference..

Every time I run a charge card through the machine at Target (or Wal-Mart),
and it wastes my time asking which language I want to read, I vocally
complain to the store employees. This is AMERICA, and the language here is
ENGLISH -- and I shouldn't have to TELL THEM THAT. The incompetent moron
who invented those infernal bilingual charge/ATM machines should be made to
spend all of eternity trying to figure out which button to push on the
menu...

Let me describe this issue in cold economic facts, rather than the emotion
of English versus Spanish: For every million shoppers who must spend an
average of 3 seconds (probably far longer) trying to figure out which button
to push (Spanish or English), that is 34.7 DAYS spent wasting everyone's
time in line, making a stupid, unnecessary choice.

(1,000,000 x 3 seconds = 3,000,000 seconds divided by 60 = 50,000 minutes
divided by 60 = 833.33 hours divided by 24 = 34.7 days)

Now, multiply that times 150,000,000 or so shoppers, and you can see we're
talking a HUGE economic impact -- and that's just one little question on one
little screen that we all must use.

It's insane, but it's the law -- and there's apparently nothing we can do to
change it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:nJRPe.285478$_o.259735@attbi_s71...
This is AMERICA, and the language here is ENGLISH -- and I shouldn't have
to TELL THEM THAT.
It's insane, but it's the law -- and there's apparently nothing we can do
to change it.

It could be changed if the U.S. had an OFFICIAL language. Until the US makes
a law saying that English (or whatever) is the official language, the
gov'ment will still print IRS forms, census forms, etc., in several
languages. There is no incentive for non-English speaking people (legal or
illegal) to learn English if everything they need is available in their
native language.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:nJRPe.285478$_o.259735@attbi_s71...
There is something ironic about US citizens whose families have lived
here for less than 400 years complaining about illegal immigrants...

Yes, there is. But never before have new immigrants so arrogantly
*expected* everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

And which codified law did the immigrants 150-400 year ago break? Which
property laws did they break?

On 2005-08-27, Jay Honeck wrote:
they certainly would never have dreamed of all the bi-lingual crap we must
deal with every day, from ATMs to voice mail systems.

Nothing wrong with multi-lingual ATMs - it's easy, it's just done in
software. I rather like it on the very occasional visit I make to
France. In fact, the ATMs here won't ask you a language if your bank
card is recognised as local.

Let me describe this issue in cold economic facts, rather than the emotion
of English versus Spanish: For every million shoppers who must spend an
average of 3 seconds (probably far longer) trying to figure out which button
to push (Spanish or English), that is 34.7 DAYS spent wasting everyone's
time in line, making a stupid, unnecessary choice.

No it isn't. Most people have realised by now you can swipe your card
whilst the checker is scanning the goods. Therefore the tasks are
happening in paralell - unless it takes you SO LONG to make that
selection that the checker beats you scanning the items.

In any case, it certainly doesn't take me 3 seconds to choose the
language. It's hardly something that needs "figuring out" unless you're
functionally illiterate.

The people who are really wasting time are those who insist on paying
for $3 worth of groceries with a check!

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

This is AMERICA, and the language here is
ENGLISH -- and I shouldn't have to TELL THEM THAT.

This is America, where citizens don't want to learn anything anymore,
not another language, not enough mathematics to add a hamburger and
fries without a computer, not world geography or culture, where weather
reports have all but become smiley faces and frowney faces because
nobody knows or cares what an isobar is, where from day one people are
taught to "feel good" about their underachievement, and where people
expect fifty dollars an hour to attach bolts on an assembly line when
someone in China will do for fifty cents and be grateful for the
opportunity. And we have the audacity to be indignant.

For every million shoppers who must spend an
average of 3 seconds (probably far longer) trying to figure out which button
to push (Spanish or English), that is 34.7 DAYS spent wasting everyone's
time in line, making a stupid, unnecessary choice.

(1,000,000 x 3 seconds = 3,000,000 seconds divided by 60 = 50,000 minutes
divided by 60 = 833.33 hours divided by 24 = 34.7 days)

The choice is unnecessary to =you= because =you= believe it should be
arranged for =your= comfort and convenience. What about "paper or
plastic" (or skip the bag, If I need a bag to hold a roll of film while
I walk to the car I shouldn't be shopping), "cash or credit", "credit or
debit", "would you like fries with that", and "your call is important to
us".

You're on the wrong boat.

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
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