ATC of Near-Miss over BOS

"Peter R." wrote in message
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A few months ago I overheard something similar on Syracuse, NY's ATC feed.
A regional Dash-8 was being vectored north around the airport for an
approach while a student and instructor were flying some practice
maneuvers
just north of the airport. Normally the instructional flight would have
been many miles further north, but there were low clouds in this
designated
practice area.

The instructional flight was given a restriction to maintain at or below
2,000 feet and the Dash-8 was told to maintain 2,500 feet. ATC called the
C172 traffic for the Dash-8 and the pilot of the Dash-8 replied he had
traffic in sight.

A moment later, the Dash-8 pilot called ATC to report that he was
responding to a TCAS alert. He then made an unprofessional comment
directly to the C172 stating that there was no way they were at their
required altitude. ATC responded that through this entire event the C172
was at the altitude to which they were originally restricted.

Given the unprofessional comment made by the Dash-8 pilot, it seemed to me
that after calling traffic in sight, both pilots went heads down in
preparation for landing and the TCAS alert shocked them back outside.


Was the Dash-8 instructed to maintain visual separation after reporting the
C172?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Was the Dash-8 instructed to maintain visual separation after reporting the
C172?

Yes, if I remember correctly, they were given that instruction.

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Peter


















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Bob Moore wrote:
john smith wrote

The replay seems to show the Lear did not level at 5,000.

Nor was he required to since he had been cleared to maintain
visual separation.....and separation is separation.
One man's "near miss" is another's "missed him by a mile".



The fellow who wanted to file the near miss sure sounded petulant, didn't he?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

If I remember correctly, the Learjet agreed to stay at 5000 ft even though
they called the other target in sight. If they passed through 5000 ft
anyway, it would have been their "bad" for presenting wrong expectations
then subsequently lying about it in an attempt to C-Y-A. The AAL pilots
would then have every right to be ****ed off.

Marco Leon
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
om...
Bob Moore wrote:
john smith wrote

The replay seems to show the Lear did not level at 5,000.

Nor was he required to since he had been cleared to maintain
visual separation.....and separation is separation.
One man's "near miss" is another's "missed him by a mile".



The fellow who wanted to file the near miss sure sounded petulant, didn't
he?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote:

If I remember correctly, the Learjet agreed to stay at 5000 ft even though
they called the other target in sight.

The lear was cleared to climb (while maintaining visual separation), and the
MD80 was told that the lear had visual and would be climbing through the
MD80's altitude. The MD80 was not told to maintain visual separation, but
it had reported the lear in sight.

- Andrew

"john smith" wrote in message
. ..

The replay seems to show the Lear did not level at 5,000.


Was he above 5,000 before visual separation was in use and he was cleared
higher?

"john smith" wrote in message
The replay seems to show the Lear did not level at 5,000.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Was he above 5,000 before visual separation was in use and he was cleared
higher?

The AA was probably watching his TCAS. That's the only way he would have
known what the separation was at 00:18 in the dark!
After the AA made this known on frequency, the Lear driver made the wise
crack about missing by 1000.

"john smith" wrote in message
.. .

The AA was probably watching his TCAS. That's the only way he would have
known what the separation was at 00:18 in the dark!


No doubt, but was he above 5,000 before visual separation was in use and he
was cleared higher?



After the AA made this known on frequency, the Lear driver made the wise
crack about missing by 1000.


How is that cracking wise?