First Soaring Experience

Jay Honeck wrote:

I don't really have any interest in getting my glider rating -- there
doesn't seem to be any utility in it -- but, man, I sure do understand you
guys that have been raving about it. It's a real aviation challenge that
gives instant gratification!

Jay, give it a moment, and a few more flights.
There is an incredible amount of finess and control t be learned
and re-learned. The payoff is when you take Atlas to the
back-country of Idaho next year and can predict (within 10 feet)
where you will touch down... and how far it will roll...
and use finess, not brute strength and banging it down.

Did you notice the "touchdown to stop" distance of the glider.
Slow and in control wins the day... the Wright brothers were right!

Airplanes are for going somewhere...
Sailplanes are for going up and down and having FUN!

Did you do "roller coasters"?

Tell the CFI you are studying for your CFI...
you can practice incipient spins...
a REAL hoot in a glider!

It was great meeting you at Oshkosh... and on the cell. :-)

"Soaring is when you are going up...
gliding is when you are going down".

Best regards,

LtCol Jer/ Eberhard, Colorado Wing Checkpilot (airplanes and gliders),
Assistant Glider Program Manager, Colorado Wing, CAP

--
LtCol Jer/ Eberhard, CO-Wing, Thompson Valley CS., Ft Collins, CO
CELL/VM: 970 231-6325, CELL Message: 9702316325'at'mobile.att.net
EMAIL: jer'at'frii.com WEB: WEB http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 233 Young Eagles!

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:44:45 -0000, wrote in
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Tell the CFI you are studying for your CFI...
you can practice incipient spins...

Why would Jay need to lie about that. What's to prevent him from
requesting the CFIG demonstrate a full spin in an L-13* or a loop for
that matter?

* http://www.let.cz/leteckezavody/en/l13/general.asp

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:44:45 -0000, wrote in
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Tell the CFI you are studying for your CFI...
you can practice incipient spins...

Why would Jay need to lie about that.

Jay would not be lying. Jay has far too much integrigy to lie. As
Jay will see the light, soon, he WILL get a CFI-Glider. All truth,
and someday verifiable!

What's to prevent him from
requesting the CFIG demonstrate a full spin in an L-13* or a loop for
that matter?

No problem there, either... lets review the FARS... oh, ya, full spins
and loops are intentional aerobatic maneuvers, and parachutes are
required.

Notice, I said "incipient spins". As these can be practiced and
taught as required maneuvers, because they are required for a rating,
parachutes need not be used.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com WEB http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 233 Young Eagles!

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:17:42 -0000, wrote in
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No problem there, either... lets review the FARS... oh, ya, full spins
and loops are intentional aerobatic maneuvers, and parachutes are
required.

As thermaling often requires steep banks to center lift, parachutes
are the norm. I've never been aloft in a glider without one.

It isn't the steep banks the make parachutes the norm. It is the 1 or 2
other gliders in the same thermal less then 200 feet away not being
that uncommon that makes the parachute the norm.

Also if you ever fly a contests, then parachutes are required by the
contest (usually) and if you have a $1000 parachute it seems kind of
silly to leave it home in the closet. Especially when most gliders are
designed to accomodate the parachutes.

Brian

On 2005-09-01, wrote:
No problem there, either... lets review the FARS... oh, ya, full spins
and loops are intentional aerobatic maneuvers, and parachutes are
required.

Big deal - most glider seats are designed for parachutes, and most
glider pilots I know routinely wear chutes. It shouldn't be hard to
borrow a couple of parachutes if the club or glider FBO doesn't have one
for the glider anyway.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Spins were a part of my training for a Commercial Glider Certificate add
on some years ago, and I wasn't telling anyone I wanted a CFIG.

wrote:

Tell the CFI you are studying for your CFI...
you can practice incipient spins...
a REAL hoot in a glider!

There's a 'Commercial Glider Certificate'? How does one earn a living
with this endoursement?

To Jay,

Great write up, If you ever get caught up in the air without power,
now you'll have a little more confidence.

Sorry of your and Mary's loss.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

On 2005-09-01, Flyingmonk wrote:
There's a 'Commercial Glider Certificate'? How does one earn a living
with this endoursement?

Just like someone with a CP-ASEL makes a living!

The commercial certificate is needed if you're offering glider rides to
the public. It's also needed to get the CFI-G.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

OIC,

Thanks for the reply.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone