They really *are* shooting at the helicopters...

"Peter Duniho" wrote:

If anything, there were even worse violations of basic human rights
during the tsunami crisis, most likely just because of the more
wide-spread disruption.

It's interesting how shocked America is at the looting in N. O., as if
no one could have expected such a thing, or that modern morality has
sunk to a new low.

In the aftermath of the 1900 Galveston storm, looting was widespread.
Many corpses had fingers cut off by robbers to steal their rings.
Commercial boat owners formed a trust and charged extortionate prices to
ferry desperate refugees to the mainland.

It would have been truly surprising if any kind of civil order had
survived this current disaster in N. O.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...


In the aftermath of the 1900 Galveston storm, looting was widespread.
....
Commercial boat owners formed a trust and charged extortionate prices to
ferry desperate refugees to the mainland.

Do you have a cite for this last one? I've heard just the opposite.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote:

In the aftermath of the 1900 Galveston storm, looting was widespread.
...
Commercial boat owners formed a trust and charged extortionate prices
to
ferry desperate refugees to the mainland.

Do you have a cite for this last one? I've heard just the opposite.

http://lowery.tamu.edu/personal/song...m/1900strm.htm

Cub Driver wrote:
I can't get out of my mind the image of the woman
who glares at the camera and says flatly: "I need my insulin." I might
be wrong, and I'm sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes,
but it seems to me that she has spent her life having her needs
delivered to her by government servants at taxpayer expense.


You clearly aren't "sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes"
(as if it were some minor annoyance and not a life-threatening
disease!). As a father of a type-1 diabetic, I can assure you that
insulin for a diabetic is as critical for survival as oxygen, food,
water, etc. Insulin must be kept refrigerated, which might be a
challenge when there is no electricity for days/weeks at a time. If a
natural disaster were to hit my home area and our supply of insulin was
destroyed, I can't promise that I wouldn't "glare at the camera and say
flatly: I need insulin for my daughter". Wanting to live or keep
loved-ones alive makes us do such extreme things! But I'm guessing you
don't have any life-threatening diseases, and have likely never
encountered any "real" hardship in your life. You are simply... better
than the general population, since you don't rely on any governement
sevices (servants) and cost us taxpayers nothing.

I have seen many images of people during the Katrina aftermath that
have made me ashamed of the human race. The image of the woman
pleading for medicine that is necessary to keep her alive is not one of
them...

wrote in message
ps.com...

Cub Driver wrote:
I can't get out of my mind the image of the woman
who glares at the camera and says flatly: "I need my insulin." I might
be wrong, and I'm sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes,
but it seems to me that she has spent her life having her needs
delivered to her by government servants at taxpayer expense.


You clearly aren't "sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes"
(as if it were some minor annoyance and not a life-threatening
disease!). As a father of a type-1 diabetic, I can assure you that
insulin for a diabetic is as critical for survival as oxygen, food,
water, etc. Insulin must be kept refrigerated, which might be a
challenge when there is no electricity for days/weeks at a time. If a
natural disaster were to hit my home area and our supply of insulin was
destroyed, I can't promise that I wouldn't "glare at the camera and say
flatly: I need insulin for my daughter".

How about when you know a disaster is coming you plan accordingly and have
alternatives ready?

How about REQUESTING help, rather than demanding it like a spolied brat?

Wanting to live or keep
loved-ones alive makes us do such extreme things! But I'm guessing you
don't have any life-threatening diseases, and have likely never
encountered any "real" hardship in your life. You are simply... better
than the general population, since you don't rely on any governement
sevices (servants) and cost us taxpayers nothing.

You've completely missed his point which was not so much about diabetics,
but about those who use them to become dependant, then demand resolution.

My condolences for you daughter, but you're her worst enemy if you're
preparing her for such dependancy.

wrote:
You clearly aren't "sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes"
(as if it were some minor annoyance and not a life-threatening
disease!). As a father of a type-1 diabetic, I can assure you that
insulin for a diabetic is as critical for survival as oxygen, food,
water, etc. Insulin must be kept refrigerated, which might be a
challenge when there is no electricity for days/weeks at a time.



Uh.... not to interrupt, but actually, you can use unrefrigerated insulin for up
to a month as long as it isn't exposed to extremes of temperature. In fact,
I've never seen insulin in the hospital refrigerated. I expect we use it up
before age becomes a factor, or the patient goes home.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mort,
I am sure you know a heck of alot more about insulin than I do,...but I
can't think of anyone down south in our heat that does not have it in the
frig. Remember in the south it can be 100 plus for weeks and weeks and
weeks. I can't imagine insulin lasting much time at all in a LA summer ,
with not even AC much less a frig? Would it be possible?

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
You clearly aren't "sorry for anyone who has to put up with diabetes"
(as if it were some minor annoyance and not a life-threatening
disease!). As a father of a type-1 diabetic, I can assure you that
insulin for a diabetic is as critical for survival as oxygen, food,
water, etc. Insulin must be kept refrigerated, which might be a
challenge when there is no electricity for days/weeks at a time.



Uh.... not to interrupt, but actually, you can use unrefrigerated insulin
for up to a month as long as it isn't exposed to extremes of temperature.
In fact, I've never seen insulin in the hospital refrigerated. I expect
we use it up before age becomes a factor, or the patient goes home.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

wrote:
If a
natural disaster were to hit my home area and our supply of insulin was
destroyed, I can't promise that I wouldn't "glare at the camera and say
flatly: I need insulin for my daughter". Wanting to live or keep
loved-ones alive makes us do such extreme things!

Interesting choice.
I would think you would say, "Get us out of here now!"

"john smith" wrote in message
...
wrote:
If a
natural disaster were to hit my home area and our supply of insulin was
destroyed, I can't promise that I wouldn't "glare at the camera and say
flatly: I need insulin for my daughter". Wanting to live or keep
loved-ones alive makes us do such extreme things!

Interesting choice.
I would think you would say, "Get us out of here now!"

A civilized, mature adult would say: "Please get us out of here now!"

Jay Honeck wrote:
A National Guard military policeman was shot in the leg as the two scuffled
for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.

*********************************************

Unbelievable.


Just a few months ago, my son returned from a 16 month tour of night
time raids and searching for IEDs in Iraq. His upcoming leave was
cancelled; right now he and a bunch of his friends (along with their
field equipment and weapons) are deploying into the disaster area.

One way or another, I think that the looting and stealing and raping
will be coming to an immediate stop. We can only hope that meaningful
recovery can begin soon.....

-Dave Russell