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"George Patterson" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:

Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Since when? I haven't seen overtime pay for over 15 years.


Obviously he should have added ... except for certain exempt workers.

There are exemptions in the federal law. If you think you are not exempt
from the law, you might want to do some research on the US Department of
Labor web pages at http://www.dol.gov/

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:

Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Since when? I haven't seen overtime pay for over 15 years.

George Patterson
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote:

Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many
states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the
employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Another republican!

"Jon A" wrote in message
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Another republican!


Are you using "republican" as a synonym of "informed"? You seem to be.

"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote:

Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many
states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the
employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law.

Another republican!

Thank goodness!!

"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:33:24 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Jon A" wrote in message
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Unions are there to protect the working class from
unfair management practices, which unfortunately shows their true
colors.


What unfair management practices?

Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present.
How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters? I really
don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be would
ask that question. Check a history book if you want to know more.


While this may have been true in the past the Dept of Labor both of the
federal and state do a pretty damn good job of not allowing this to happen
today.

To say that we need unions to stop this today is like saying we need an
ongoing civil war to make sure we don't have slavery.

"Jon A" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:33:24 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Jon A" wrote in message
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Unions are there to protect the working class from
unfair management practices, which unfortunately shows their true
colors.


What unfair management practices?

Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present.
How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters? I really
don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be would
ask that question. Check a history book if you want to know more.

Check an objective history book and you'll find that point is rather bogus.

Check further and you'll find that long hours were preferred by many unions
so as to generate overtime.

If businesses did what unions did, they call it collusion. In any endeavor
that unions claimed to have improved the workers situation, take a look back
in that same industry some ten to twenty years and you'll find that things
have already improved dramatically before unions ever showed up at the door.

A good example is so called "child labor", and as my friend says about it
:What do you think those kids were doing before they worked in factories,
playing "tag" all day?

"Jon A" wrote in message
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Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present.
How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters?


Are you saying that without unions we'd have 14 hour work days with no
breaks? Even if that was so, how would it be unfair?



I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be
would
ask that question.


How else can I know what you believe are unfair management practices?



Check a history book if you want to know more.


Do you know of any history books that agree with your position?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:36:58 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Jon A" wrote in message
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Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present.
How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters?


Are you saying that without unions we'd have 14 hour work days with no
breaks? Even if that was so, how would it be unfair?



I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be
would
ask that question.


How else can I know what you believe are unfair management practices?



Check a history book if you want to know more.


Do you know of any history books that agree with your position?



Outrageous! You don't even deserve the courtesy of this reply!

"Jon A" wrote in message
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Do you know of any history books that agree with your position?


Outrageous! You don't even deserve the courtesy of this reply!


I'll take that as a "No".