Taxi Clearance

"Russ MacDonald" wrote in message
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I teach my students to call before engine start to get their clearance
(controlled fields). You are allowed to call up to two hours before your
proposed departure, so why waste your gas waiting for the clearance to be
issued?


Allowed by whom? The strip doesn't print until 30 minutes prior to the
proposed departure time.

I'm based in California, but I've flown from controlled fields in both
Ireland (EIWF) and Sweden (ESSB) and I never had to get an engine start
clearance. So I'm not so sure that this is a pan European thing.

-Brenor

"Brenor Brophy" wrote in message
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I'm based in California, but I've flown from controlled fields in both
Ireland (EIWF) and Sweden (ESSB) and I never had to get an engine start
clearance. So I'm not so sure that this is a pan European thing.

-Brenor

It depends on each airfield and how they want to organise things, therefore
it is important to either read the latest airfield information or check out
the ATIS before start.

I always call on the handheld to get my clearance prior to engine start.
That way, if there is a delay, I am not paying to keep the engine
running while I wait.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:32:36 GMT, john smith wrote:

I always call on the handheld to get my clearance prior to engine start.
That way, if there is a delay, I am not paying to keep the engine
running while I wait.

The way I've been taught, that is certainly your option. My posting was
that many, including myself, do not do so routinely and that appears to be
in conflict with the AIM.

In the US, have you ever received a clearance that includes a clearance to
start you engine? (which was the thrust of my original question). The
only time that has occurred to me was at BOS and only at a time when the
requirement to call CD prior to engine start was clearly stated on the
ATIS.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Santa Monica (KSMO) requires you to call ground prior to engine start.

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:32:36 GMT, john smith wrote:

I always call on the handheld to get my clearance prior to engine start.
That way, if there is a delay, I am not paying to keep the engine
running while I wait.

The way I've been taught, that is certainly your option. My posting was
that many, including myself, do not do so routinely and that appears to be
in conflict with the AIM.

In the US, have you ever received a clearance that includes a clearance to
start you engine? (which was the thrust of my original question). The
only time that has occurred to me was at BOS and only at a time when the
requirement to call CD prior to engine start was clearly stated on the
ATIS.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

"Lynne" wrote in message
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Santa Monica (KSMO) requires you to call ground prior to engine start.


So just how do they require that?

It is broadcasted on the ATIS. If you do not call for engine start, and
simply call ground to taxi, you WILL be told to hold your position. The
airport is very tight, so they don't want aircraft that do not have
their IFR release blocking access to the runway.

In other words, when you call for start clearance, your IFR release is
coordinated.

Lynne

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Lynne" wrote in message
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Santa Monica (KSMO) requires you to call ground prior to engine start.



So just how do they require that?


- CURFEW: NO ENGINE STARTS OR DEPS EXPECT PPR LIFEGUARD FLTS 2300-0700 MON-FRI
AND 2300-0800 WKENDS.

On 24 Sep 2005 19:16:45 -0700, "Lynne" wrote:

Santa Monica (KSMO) requires you to call ground prior to engine start.

But the requirement to do so is, according to another post of yours, so
stated on the ATIS at SMO.

My point is that it seems to be an AIM requirement that is not generally
followed in the US, in the absence of a specific instruction (e.g. on the
ATIS).


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)