Cirrus Killer? Cessna just doesn't get it...

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "Morgans" said:
and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel
drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

Actually, with anti-lock braking, they stop very well. Common sense goes a
long way, in driving.
--
Jim in NC

On 2005-10-01, Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Morgans" said:
and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad they don't give you the ability to stop when it snows.

Justice was served a couple of years ago in the Cottonwood Canyons (I
don't remember which one, I think it was the one going to Brighton).
Friends and I were carefully going up the canyon in a Volkswagon Jetta
TDi with snow chains. The guy in the 4x4 behind us was obviously getting
impatient, and went roaring by us.

Half a mile later, we passed him - as he was trying to extract his truck
from a ditch.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote

I don't even try but if I had to guess I would say small penis.

I don't have a SUV, but I think that characterization is off target.

It really isn't that hard to figure out. Lots of room to haul people,
kids
and their stuff, kids friends, and other general stuff. Four wheel drive,
so you can still go when it snows, or you park in the wet grass, and get
stuck. A feeling of security, when you are driving by a 53 foot long
semi-truck trailer being pulled by a 28 foot tractor, or when pitted
against
a little import in a crash situation. Showing, for all to see, that you
are
successful enough to be able to afford how ever much gas it burns, no
matter
what the cost. The ability to pull trailers with ease, filled with
whatever
toys you have, like boats, camping trailers, lawn mower trailers, covered
trailers for moving your kids into school, or what ever other trailer you
might want to pull.

Try doing all of that with your Toyota Corolla.
--
Jim in NC

Most SUVs are driven by one person going to work on dry pavement. Most do
not pull trailers. Most do not have 4-wheel drive and I quite often pass
them like they were standing still in the snow with my Saturn wagon. The
safety aspect is suspect.

Dave Stadt wrote:

Most SUVs are driven by one person going to work on dry pavement.
Most do
not pull trailers. Most do not have 4-wheel drive and I quite often pass
them like they were standing still in the snow with my Saturn wagon. The
safety aspect is suspect.

Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend. Would you rather they waste the
resources and have two vehicles, one for the weekend and one to drive to
work? The energy required to make the car and operate it is much
greater than the incremental gas required to drive the SUV to work
during the week and not have a second vehicle.


Matt

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:
Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.

Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:

Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.


Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

I can't speak for TX as I don't live there, but I don't think your stats
hold true in PA.


Matt

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:44:27 +0000, Dylan Smith wrote:

On 2005-10-01, Matt Whiting wrote:
Yes, most folks don't tow their trailer to work every day with them.
However, they may tow it every weekend.

Most folks with SUVs never tow anything at all. SUVs were popular where
I used to live in Houston. I'd estimate from suburban driveways that
about 1 in 10 SUVs ever towed anything at all, and about the same
proportion ever used more than 4 seats - ever. Out of the 1 in 10 that
had a trailer to pull, about half of those trailers could easily be
towed safely by a normal midsize car. Most SUVs are bought not to
offroad, tow, haul 7 passengers - but to look cool.

IIRC, you're not far off form the real stats. Again, IIRC, only 2 out of
10 actually tow/haul anything, ever leave pavement, ever have more than
four people in them. Basically, only 1/5 of all SUVs owners, own them for
anything other than status or coolness factors.

"Dave Stadt" wrote

Most SUVs are driven by one person going to work on dry pavement.

True, for most of the time, but when you do want to go somewhere on
vacation, or the weekend, you have the capability.

Most do not pull trailers.

Some do, sometimes. Not which ones have a hitch. Lots do.

Most do not have 4-wheel drive

More do, than do not, I would guess. More vehicles with 4WD are pickups or
SUV's, though, right?

and I quite often pass
them like they were standing still in the snow with my Saturn wagon.

You still have to know how to drive in snow, which most do not. They are
worthless on ice, as is your wagon.

The safety aspect is suspect.

Ah, so true, but notice I said a "feeling" of security. g I *do* like
sitting up higher than a low car, even if they are not as safe as some cars,
though.

I'm not a fan of SUV's for everyone, but I do understand why so many people
want them. In my ideal world, I would have a SUV for times when the size is
needed, and a little gas mizer for when I am driving to work and back.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 13:49:44 +0000, Dave Stadt wrote:



Most SUVs are driven by one person going to work on dry pavement. Most do
not pull trailers. Most do not have 4-wheel drive and I quite often pass
them like they were standing still in the snow with my Saturn wagon. The
safety aspect is suspect.

Actually, the safety aspect is not suspect. It's fairly well accepted
that SUVs are safer because there are so many SUVs on the road. If you
remove SUVs from the equation then pretty much all other, smaller,
vehicles sudden become much, much safer. Last I read, the roads would be
much safer if it were not for SUVs.

In otherwords, driving an SUV addresses the safety problem created by
those that drive SUVs. Go figure...

Greg

("Greg Copeland" wrote)
Actually, the safety aspect is not suspect. It's fairly well accepted
that SUVs are safer because there are so many SUVs on the road. If you
remove SUVs from the equation then pretty much all other, smaller,
vehicles sudden become much, much safer. Last I read, the roads would be
much safer if it were not for SUVs.


Check the accident stats. Many fatalities are single car accidents. Now we
need to figure out if SUV's are more, or less, safe than "smaller" cars in
this category?

Single vehicle deaths is a healthy percentage of the pie.


Montblack