private planes lower housing prices

Pilots are providing affordable housing which is in short supply in the Bay
Area.

Mike
MU-2

wrote in message
ups.com...
Home prices in most of the San Francisco Bay area
have reached new high's, except in one city, but
there is a catch.

The city of Newark has many people moving out, and many
nice homes for sale after months of being on the market.

Why, you may ask?

It is because of the constant drone of private planes
using the airspace above Newark as their playground.

Most of the flights originate from the Palo Alto airport,
right across the bay, where they have a gentlemens
agreement about not flying over Palo Alto.

Prospective homeowners are told up front about the
"noise condition" they will have to live with, and
many, after hearing plane, after plane, after plane
would never live there at any price.

In article . net,
says...


Pilots are providing affordable housing which is in short supply in the Bay
Area.

Mike
MU-2

That's great. So, in addition to providing the majority of candidats for
airline pilot positions, keeping costs in check, GA is directly acting to
check inflationary housing costs! Close that GA airport and you'll be
contributing to less affordable housing and transportation - degrading two
leading "quality of life" social indicators.

G Faris

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:01:27 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:

Pilots are providing affordable housing which is in short supply in the Bay
Area.

Mike
MU-2


That is one of the most rational explainations I've ever heard.

Mike Weller
M-20F

In article . com,
wrote:
The city of Newark has many people moving out, and many
nice homes for sale after months of being on the market.

Why, you may ask?

It is because of the constant drone of private planes
using the airspace above Newark as their playground.

So is the noise problem in Newark or Fremont? The last time
you trolled this group, it was Fremont.

For those not familiar with the Bay Area, Newark and Fremont are
both right on the final approach course to Oakland, next to Hayward,
and across the bay from San Carlos and Palo Alto.

Everywhere in the Bay Area has air traffic over it, even the
multimillion dollar houses.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

John Clear wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
The city of Newark has many people moving out, and many
nice homes for sale after months of being on the market.

Why, you may ask?

It is because of the constant drone of private planes
using the airspace above Newark as their playground.

So is the noise problem in Newark or Fremont? The last time
you trolled this group, it was Fremont.

For those not familiar with the Bay Area, Newark and Fremont are
both right on the final approach course to Oakland, next to Hayward,
and across the bay from San Carlos and Palo Alto.

I live in Newark, play in Fremont, and work in Sunnyvale.
I hardly ever hear plane noise in Sunnyvale, maybe once on hour
at best, mostly some traffic from Moffett Field, which I don't mind.

Believe me , there is private plane drone from about 9AM
to sundown every day in Newark, a little less in Fremont.

Don't waste your time here.

Most of the people here think you should be absolutely thrilled to hear
the high pitched whine of a C-172 straining for altitude, followed by
another, and another, etc... all day long, starting at 5:00 am.

If you're not, they think you must be a loser washout from flight school,
because everyone thats anyone has a PPL or is working on one.

They will blame YOU for moving close to an airport (even if you are not
close to an airport, or the airport's operations have increased five-fold
over the past ten years, or the airport is planning a "safety" improvement
which involves parallel runways or runway lengthening).

While there are noise restrictions on commercial aircraft (google Stage
III), cars, motorcycles, music, lawnmowers, etc., imposing (or enforcing)
any type of noise restricitons on these 40-year old planes is considered
un-American and impinges on freedom. If you don't like the noise: f-you
and move. GA is the only activity I know of that is exempt from all forms
of noise regulation (except some Calif. airports where the localities had
the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory, or to "charge for the
externality" in the form of landing fees, night surcharges, etc. ]

But there is very good news. The bright side of permanently higher energy
prices means less discretionary flying. Upcoming user fees mean less
discretionary flying. The private pilot population is declining (thus the
desperate advertising by flight schools for new students), and
demographically they are old. Population growth means that more people
will be rightfully annoyed by excessive noise.

Airports that try to work with the surrounding community stand a better
chance of survival than those that seek to expand operations and then
argue, "We were here first."

While there are noise restrictions on commercial aircraft (google
Stage III), cars, motorcycles, music, lawnmowers, etc.,

And yet I hear more leaf blowers, loud bikes, fart can ricers and thump cars
than ever. I'd rather hear P-51s go overhead than listen to damn leaf
blowers going all weekend.

They were there first. Move next to the damned airport then, when the
P-51s will drown out all the other noise.

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:39:41 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote in
outaviation.com::

where the localities had the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory

That 'kahoonas' is an interesting word. Unfortunately it's not in my
dictionary, although 'kahuna' is: a Hawaiian witch doctor.

Are you saying the "localities" invoke black magic to restrict
aviation activity?

:-)

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
where the localities had the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory

That 'kahoonas' is an interesting word. Unfortunately it's not in my
dictionary, although 'kahuna' is: a Hawaiian witch doctor.

I assume he meant "cojones". Why anyone is bothering to read, never mind
reply to, that troll (or any other, including the recent "I don't like
airplane noise" guy) still is beyond me, whether he can spell or not.

Pete