private planes lower housing prices

You d**k less Fing A.. ( yes I know this is the reaction he was trolling for
).
Please tell me who I cry and whine to about the train that goes near my
house and blows the horn at least 5 times throughout the night ? Also who do
I cry to about the cell antennas installed on the water tower near my house
? Oh yes I almost forgot is anybody crying about the muscle boats that are
completely unmuffled ( supercharged big blocks are a little noisier than the
high pitched whine of the 172). Please stop the jealousy ! And go back to
surfing the porn sites and leave us alone..

Boy I feel better..




"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Don't waste your time here.

Most of the people here think you should be absolutely thrilled to hear
the high pitched whine of a C-172 straining for altitude, followed by
another, and another, etc... all day long, starting at 5:00 am.

If you're not, they think you must be a loser washout from flight school,
because everyone thats anyone has a PPL or is working on one.

They will blame YOU for moving close to an airport (even if you are not
close to an airport, or the airport's operations have increased five-fold
over the past ten years, or the airport is planning a "safety" improvement
which involves parallel runways or runway lengthening).

While there are noise restrictions on commercial aircraft (google Stage
III), cars, motorcycles, music, lawnmowers, etc., imposing (or enforcing)
any type of noise restricitons on these 40-year old planes is considered
un-American and impinges on freedom. If you don't like the noise: f-you
and move. GA is the only activity I know of that is exempt from all forms
of noise regulation (except some Calif. airports where the localities had
the kahoonas to make the restrictions mandatory, or to "charge for the
externality" in the form of landing fees, night surcharges, etc. ]

But there is very good news. The bright side of permanently higher energy
prices means less discretionary flying. Upcoming user fees mean less
discretionary flying. The private pilot population is declining (thus the
desperate advertising by flight schools for new students), and
demographically they are old. Population growth means that more people
will be rightfully annoyed by excessive noise.

Airports that try to work with the surrounding community stand a better
chance of survival than those that seek to expand operations and then
argue, "We were here first."

"me" wrote in message ...
You d**k less Fing A.. ( yes I know this is the reaction he was trolling
for
).
Please tell me who I cry and whine to about the train that goes near my
house and blows the horn at least 5 times throughout the night ? Also who
do
I cry to about the cell antennas installed on the water tower near my
house
? Oh yes I almost forgot is anybody crying about the muscle boats that are
completely unmuffled ( supercharged big blocks are a little noisier than
the
high pitched whine of the 172). Please stop the jealousy ! And go back to
surfing the porn sites and leave us alone..

Boy I feel better..


You forgot one! Diesel trucks blowing their horns & using unmuffled
compression breaks! maybe more!

Gavone. (look that word up). Get used to it: your planes make noise,
some make alot of noise, and many people hate unnecessary noise.

wrote:
John Clear wrote:

In article . com,
wrote:

The city of Newark has many people moving out, and many
nice homes for sale after months of being on the market.

Why, you may ask?

It is because of the constant drone of private planes
using the airspace above Newark as their playground.

So is the noise problem in Newark or Fremont? The last time
you trolled this group, it was Fremont.

For those not familiar with the Bay Area, Newark and Fremont are
both right on the final approach course to Oakland, next to Hayward,
and across the bay from San Carlos and Palo Alto.


I live in Newark, play in Fremont, and work in Sunnyvale.
I hardly ever hear plane noise in Sunnyvale, maybe once on hour
at best, mostly some traffic from Moffett Field, which I don't mind.

Believe me , there is private plane drone from about 9AM
to sundown every day in Newark, a little less in Fremont.

good for the economy.....might bring an early correction to the housing
bubble, Greenspam can relax now.

John Clear wrote:

Everywhere in the Bay Area has air traffic over it, even the
multimillion dollar houses.


The hottest part of the Boston RE market over the past two years has
been the lower part of South Boston, which is directly underneath the
departure path of Logan 3-5 days out of the week. When I lived there I
once had a BA 747 climbing out real slow shake the walls so bad a
painting fell off. If you were on the phone (indoors) you had to stop
when one of the heavies (or an old turbojet 737) passed over. During
pushes they'd come every 90 seconds for an hour or more. In the past 10
years a 1-family has roughly tripled in value to over 800k. Condos
average 380-600 and go up to 1.5mil. Airplane noise my ass. I live next
to Logan now and get less noise than I did in Southie.

-cwk.

More crap.... More delusion... More PPL BS.

You don't need a "study" to realize the obvious: continuous airplane noise
harrassment lowers property values. So what if the price near the airport
has increased. Homes everywhere have increased, just not as much in areas
infected with plane noise pollution.

But if you want a study, here's one...

http://www.eltoroairport.org/issues/taxloss.html

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
More crap.... More delusion... More PPL BS.

You don't need a "study" to realize the obvious: continuous airplane noise
harrassment lowers property values. So what if the price near the airport
has increased. Homes everywhere have increased, just not as much in areas
infected with plane noise pollution.

But if you want a study, here's one...

http://www.eltoroairport.org/issues/taxloss.html


There is nothing in the GA fleet as loud as what used to fly out of El Toro.

So?

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" plucked a fig, smoked some dope
and converted another booger from his nose to digital:

http://www.eltoroairport.org/issues/taxloss.html

Quote:"Several studies confirm that real estate values are negatively
impacted near the flight paths of major airports."

Note the term "major airports." i.e. JKF, ORD, LAX, etc.

Once again the anti-aviation loons distort facts and outright lie to
bolster their (weak) case against GA. They quote studies of major het
airports and try to use them against minor, GA airports.

In common terms: "That dog just don't hunt!"

In article ,
says...


Note the term "major airports." i.e. JKF, ORD, LAX, etc.

Once again the anti-aviation loons distort facts and outright lie to
bolster their (weak) case against GA. They quote studies of major het
airports and try to use them against minor, GA airports.



Welll. . . If you're going to be honest about it, both major, commercial
airports AND GA airports bring significant nuisance effects to surrounding
communities. True enough, most of the well organized anti-airport lobbies
deal with issues related to major airports, who, with their day-and-night
activities and thousand flight-a-day schedules have the effect of wearing
through the nerves of close residents. It's hard to pity them, because
100% of them moved there after the airport activity was well established,
often BECAUSE of the airport, one way or another, and they'll move away
when they've had enough. Besides - do they think they're going to close
ORD, just because they have a 6-month old baby?

BUT - GA airports have been targeted by opposition groups as well, and the
case is more delicate, because most people see GA activity as
recreational, and not revenue generating or otherwise necessary. Of
course, this is as much a distortion of the facts as the plane
enthusiasts' version of it, but the bottom line is times ARE changing, and
GA pilots are going to have to make efforts to fit better into their
communities. There are many ways to try to lessen the noise impact of a GA
airport on surrounding communities, but the ostrich method is one of the
less successful.

Educating the community about the full role of GA in the community/economy
is important, but in some cases it's not enough. Some citizens' groups
are contributing toward noise-reduction equipment on airplanes. Some
airports have specific, noise-abatement traffic patterns, others restrict
hours. The old, "I was here first, and it's my RIGHT" isn't going to cut
it much longer. One crash, and it becomes a safety issue, then the GA
airport, and its irascible users is gone.

G Faris