Debacle: Flight test of Diana-2

On 17 Oct 2005 20:02:50 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:
fly" or do you need more than 200 hours to be able to handle it?
200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't you think?

This _might_ mean that he is instructing a lot.

Bartek

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brtlmj wrote:

On 17 Oct 2005 20:02:50 GMT, Ian Johnston wrote:
fly" or do you need more than 200 hours to be able to handle it?
200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't you think?

This _might_ mean that he is instructing a lot.

And on a winch, to boot.

It seems inconceivable that any pilot could have such a low average time
otherwise. I just looked at mine out of curiosity (gotta log electronic
logbooks...):

Crew Flights Time Avg
==== ======= ====== ===
P 88 115:21 79
P1 141 96:11 41
P2 102 36:28 21

I'm not an instructor. So what you can see is that my average flight
while under instruction (including subsequent two seater ratings, site
checks, and BFRs) is 21 minutes. Average flight time when taking
friends for rides is nearly double that, and average single-seater
flight times are nearly double again (I'm a bit embarassed by how low
that 79 minute number is, actually).

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Ian Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:09:02 UTC, Stefan
wrote:


Hmmm... Now, you must decide: Is that glider (15m!) "easy and safe to
fly" or do you need more than 200 hours to be able to handle it?


200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't you think?

Ian


...and so is your considered, insightful analysis.

Paul

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:00:33 UTC, Paul
wrote:

Ian Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:09:02 UTC, Stefan
wrote:


Hmmm... Now, you must decide: Is that glider (15m!) "easy and safe to
fly" or do you need more than 200 hours to be able to handle it?


200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't you think?

..and so is your considered, insightful analysis.

I have deliberately avoided giving any conclusions. I just think the
statistics are interesting, and that's not in a particularly negative
way.

Ian

Ian Johnston wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:09:02 UTC, Stefan
wrote:


Hmmm... Now, you must decide: Is that glider (15m!) "easy and safe to
fly" or do you need more than 200 hours to be able to handle it?


200 hours in 1250 flights is quite suggestive, don't you think?

Ian


...and so is your considered, insightful analysis.

Paul

If you don't like the glider or the selling team/Agent..
buy something else!
use your time gliding..not moaning
I'm sure some other manufacturer will be happy to relive
of some Euro

At 19:48 13 October 2005, wrote:
I believe it is more reasonable not to allow somebody
to fly it then
face all the possible tragic consequences of an accident.
Therefore
saying 'no' at the last moment was not a matter of
trying to
humiliate Mr. Sharma by any means as he claims - but
protecting both,
the person and the glider. It's also worth mentioning
that our
decision was confirmed by the local gliding instructor
who shared our
doubts. Mr Sharma said to me personally that he had
only 200 hours and
no experience on racing class gliders.

We need some facts...

1) Was this decision based on Mr Sharma's previous
flying experience or
on the results of his checkride ?
2) Is it true that by the time he landed the glider
was already being
disassembled ?

Bartek

"Glider Factfinder" wrote in
message ...
If you don't like the glider or the selling team/Agent..
buy something else!
use your time gliding..not moaning
I'm sure some other manufacturer will be happy to relive
of some Euro

That is not the point. It is not even the fact he did not fly the machine,
the man has been humiliated.
A bit of empathy may be in order if nothing else.
Only now do people have some recourse.
Long live RAS.
Udo

Naresh has provided all the information they asked for, proving his
experience. He also got his licence recognized and was provided with a
polish licence to fly. If the intention was to show himthe glider
without allowing him to fly, they should have clearly told him before
his trip. The last-minute request for a checkflight is also an excuse,
since the glider was being put away while he was up in the air. This is
ridiculous communication. They have the right to decide who can fly the
prototype, and very likely only allow the people they personally know
to be very skilled, like you would normally do to allow someone to fly
your very precious glider...
however, it's only fair to explain the reason for not allowing him to
fly, and do it in a way that is not humiliating. I believe that in
business, the way you behave tells a lot on the reliability of a person
and of a company. They behaved in a way that doesn't allow trust
relationships to develop.

If you don't like the glider or the selling team/Agent..
buy something else!
use your time gliding..not moaning
I'm sure some other manufacturer will be happy to relive
of some Euro

At 19:48 13 October 2005, wrote:
I believe it is more reasonable not to allow somebody
to fly it then
face all the possible tragic consequences of an accident.
Therefore
saying 'no' at the last moment was not a matter of
trying to
humiliate Mr. Sharma by any means as he claims - but
protecting both,
the person and the glider. It's also worth mentioning
that our
decision was confirmed by the local gliding instructor
who shared our
doubts. Mr Sharma said to me personally that he had
only 200 hours and
no experience on racing class gliders.

We need some facts...

1) Was this decision based on Mr Sharma's previous
flying experience or
on the results of his checkride ?
2) Is it true that by the time he landed the glider
was already being
disassembled ?

Bartek

At 15:24 13 October 2005, wrote:
Naresh,

Would you please share with us:
- What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ?
- Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40.
- Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year.

You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights.
Mark


This is irrelevant. The organisers were aware of Naresh's
experience prior to the event and had agreed he could
fly the aircraft. They had allowed him to go to considerable
trouble, travel and expense for no reason. They owe
him an apology.

Mark