Stolen Jet found in Georgia

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

Personally, I think a VFR ticket only s/b eliminated. All pilots should
have to be able to fly IFR. That would eliminate hundreds of mishaps per
year. Nothings perfect of course, but these learn to fly in a month
schools are insane, IMHO.


Why don't you propose a way to fix all the accidents on the road first. I'd
rather fly with a pilot (graduated from the month long school) than half the
drivers on the street today.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:49:10 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote:

Agreed, that they don't just "give these things away." But wouldn't you
agree, that once you get your ticket, it is very possible to not stay
current or proficient if you don't practice regularly? Would you agree
that there are some pilots out there who got their PPL long ago, and now
fly so infrequently as to be a danger to themselves, their passengers, or
those below?

Most, if not all people who study, practice and earn their PPL do so
because they've always wanted to fly an airplane. Once they've gotten
their license, they want to fly. The cost may limit how often they
can fly, but practicing means flying an airplane. At the FBO where I
rent, the insurance requires that any pilot renting from them must
have made at least three landings in the past 45 days. "Oh please
don't trow me in dat briar patch."

Every two years pilots go through something called the "biennial
flight review". You may not have heard of it because you did not
finish your flight training but it is required of all private pilots.
During this review the CFI will ask the pilot to demonstrate
proficiency in anything he/she feels is relevant to the act of flying
safely. It includes ground school. According to the CFI who gave me
my BFR,

Corky Scott

Skylune wrote:

Personally, I think a VFR ticket only s/b eliminated. All pilots should
have to be able to fly IFR. That would eliminate hundreds of mishaps per
year. Nothings perfect of course, but these learn to fly in a month
schools are insane, IMHO.

Do you have any evidence that these "insane" fly-in-a-month schools'
graduates have any different risk profile than a pilot like me who got
his PPL in 75 hours over 13 months?

-cwk.

I think it certainly is an ADIZ argument. Boyer has (disingenously, of
course) argued that the ADIZ is unnecessary largely because of the minimal
threat posed by light aircraft ("I fly a C-150: fear me"). Now, we all
know that jets and big turboprops also fly GA.

Personally, from what I know, I would think that small aircraft like most
Cessnas and Pipers s/b exempted from the ADIZ. But this gets difficult
politically: AOPA would then be standing against the biz jet owners. A
unified front is preferable. But if this thing gets traction (as I
stongly suspect it will, if not a foregone conclusion), Boyer may decide
to change tactics.

I read on AvFlash the crew left the plane unlocked on the ramp (major
violation of ramp security and common sense) which was tempting enough
to lure some dumbass kid into an even dumber stunt.

Lure? I didn't know unlocked planes exuded an aura.

Jose
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Lure? I didn't know unlocked planes exuded an aura.

Meh. Just a figure of speech. Not to be taken literally.

Lure? I didn't know unlocked planes exuded an aura.

Meh. Just a figure of speech. Not to be taken literally.

Maybe a figure of speech, but it makes a strong implication that is
harmful to the community. For the jet to have been accidentally left
open, AND for that same jet to be stolen, would require either people
prowling for an open jet and getting lucky (this implies that there
probably would be lots of people doing this to get lucky so fast), or
that somehow the prowlers had some inkling that this particular jet, on
this particular day, was a good target.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Maybe a figure of speech, but it makes a strong implication that is harmful to the community. For the jet to have been accidentally left open, AND for that same jet to be stolen, would require either people prowling for an open jet and getting lucky (this implies that there probably would be lots of people doing this to get lucky so fast), or that somehow the prowlers had some inkling that this particular jet, on this particular day, was a good target


A friend of mine is a tower controller at St. Augustine where the plane
was stolen from. Apparently the father of the punk-ass kid that stole
it owns a charter company. I don't know if the jet was owned by this or
some other company. I understand what you're saying by the
implications. I think in this case it was just a bored young punk with
a jet type rating looking for something to do. He may have talked with
the crew and knew the door wasn't locked? I doubt just anyone getting
into one of those things could even get the engines started - that
takes training and understanding. It's not as if any shmuck could
figure out how to start the engines on a Citation (without destroying
them in a hot start). It ain't a Cessna.

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Lure? I didn't know unlocked planes exuded an aura.

Meh. Just a figure of speech. Not to be taken literally.

Ask some older folks how they could go away for weeks with their doors
unlocked without a worry.

Airport security yes, ADIZ? Not sure how that's a factor here.


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Well, first, thank god no one was hurt or killed (apparently). Second,
this is an excellent data point for the ADIZ controversy and for the GA
airport security debate. Outstanding actually!

I will be interested to see how Phil Boyer spins this latest incident to
"prove" how effective security is at GA airports, and to show that the
ADIZ is unnecessary. After all, how much damage could a stolen GA Jet do??
A truck, or even a Hyundai is more dangerous, right? Good thing he filed
the request (on the Docket Management System) for public hearings on
making
the ADIZ permanent. Be careful what you wish for Phil!!!

Now, lets watch as the politicos (mainly the odious duo of
Schumer/Hillary) chime in. The media is all over it already, so the pols
are sure to follow!

Then the editorials will follow.

And I guess Big Phil will have to get yet another new bumper sticker to
replace the "I fly a C-150, ....fear me!" one. The repurcussions of the
stolen jet (a jet!!!!) are vast, and very exciting for anti-GA activists
such as myself.

Hey, I wonder if the AOPA advertising budget will have to go up when the
new propoganda ad appears in USA Today and other publications.

Boy, this is gonna be really fun.