If you fly an Amphib, don't do this

Dave wrote:

What are the 2 black things flying forward ?

My guess is that it's the doors for the front gear.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Amphib nosewheels don't fully retract inside, but they do go up.
Notice the mains are down also.

HE FAILED TO RAISE THE GEAR!! That's why he flipped over forward!! The
nosegear was down and caught the water and flipped him forward.

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"Doug" wrote:

Amphib nosewheels don't fully retract inside, but they do go up.
Notice the mains are down also.

HE FAILED TO RAISE THE GEAR!! That's why he flipped over forward!! The
nosegear was down and caught the water and flipped him forward.

Actually, the drag of the mains pitched him over; the nose gear just
finished the job.

Actually, the drag of the mains pitched him over; the nose gear just
finished the job.

It's interesting to speculate if he would have flipped if it was just
the mains. Of course they all go up and down together. No one really
knows for sure, but I tend to think it wouldn't be a full flip if it
werent for the nose gear catching. No one knows for sure. There HAVE
been gear up water landings where there wasn't a flip, but generally,
landing with the gear down in the water is pretty bad news. Landing
with the gear UP on land is not so bad, no prop strike, by the way.

Gear switch on an amphib is a little different mindset. You don't just
turn the warning off by putting the gear down. You position the gear
where it should be and turn the warning off by pushing a button. Also,
the amount of drag presented by amphib gear is not as dramatic as gear
on land planes, so its not always obvious where the gear is by wind
noise and how the plane flies.

On 6 Nov 2005 20:43:54 -0800, "Doug"
wrote:

Actually, the drag of the mains pitched him over; the nose gear just
finished the job.

It's interesting to speculate if he would have flipped if it was just
the mains. Of course they all go up and down together. No one really
knows for sure, but I tend to think it wouldn't be a full flip if it
werent for the nose gear catching. No one knows for sure. There HAVE
been gear up water landings where there wasn't a flip, but generally,
landing with the gear down in the water is pretty bad news. Landing
with the gear UP on land is not so bad, no prop strike, by the way.

Gear switch on an amphib is a little different mindset. You don't just
turn the warning off by putting the gear down. You position the gear
where it should be and turn the warning off by pushing a button. Also,
the amount of drag presented by amphib gear is not as dramatic as gear
on land planes, so its not always obvious where the gear is by wind
noise and how the plane flies.

I'm sure people have landed sucesfully with the gear down on some
planes. On my plane the pitch forward landing on glassy water requires
full up elevator to prevent pitch over. I think that landing was
beyond recovery the second the mains touched the water.

Dave wrote:
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What are the 2 black things flying forward ?


I think they are the nose bumpers from the floats.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane
N92054

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:51:44 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Dave wrote:
/snip/
What are the 2 black things flying forward ?


I think they are the nose bumpers from the floats.


I would have to agree with Skylane on this. I went through it frame
by frame and just before he touched down, you can see the bumpers on
the floats, then about 5 frames after the front of the floats go into
the water, you can see the bumpers flying out of the water.

I would be sick to death if that happened to my plane.


Scott D.

Yes, gotchya now. I agree, I see the two things flying forward. Some
part of the floats, and you are probably right. The nose bumpers
sheared off and flew forward. Nice observation. Never had noticed that
before. Those nose bumpers are just black plastic things, glued on (I
think).