The right way?

I did a few of those wheel landings Saturday!2.3 more hours in the wind! I
do know what you're saying John Smith. I was in the front seat of a Cub and
could not see out front. Had to make those S turns in taxi , and the guy
that was PIC used the open door as his stall indicator of sorts on landing.
When the open door started rising he said it was ready to land. System
worked very nice for him , perfect three pointers! We did one two wheel
landing and the visibility was alot better that way, but as soon as the
tail goes down it's back to trying to see out of the sides.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:

The exceptions to the above a

1. high crosswinds, where you keep the speed up and land with power and
reduced (or no) flap
2. short field
3. soft field
4. windshear conditions
5. airframe ice
6. landing into the setting sun, where you fly a very flat approach and
feel the for runway.
7. probably a few conditions that I missed.

8. Taildragger wheel landings--by far easier than the "normal"
full-stall.

Also easier to drop it and bounce it depending on type of gear. I do not
necessarily think that wheel landings are easier. I do not use wheel
landings unless the airplane has a serious tailwheel shimmy or during a
strong crosswind to assist in lateral control.

Sounds like you are leveling off a tad too high. Since you have been
used to making flat landings, the new sight picture (or lack of) is
probably making all the difference. Instead of looking straight ahead,
try to look sideways. Use your peripheral visiion to focus some
attention on the pavement through your side window.

In article . com,
"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

Sounds like you are leveling off a tad too high. Since you have been
used to making flat landings, the new sight picture (or lack of) is
probably making all the difference. Instead of looking straight ahead,
try to look sideways. Use your peripheral visiion to focus some
attention on the pavement through your side window.

This also referred to as the taildragger technique. :-)

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Sounds like you are leveling off a tad too high. Since you have been
used to making flat landings, the new sight picture (or lack of) is
probably making all the difference. Instead of looking straight ahead,
try to look sideways. Use your peripheral visiion to focus some
attention on the pavement through your side window.

I've read a number of sources that advocate looking to the side as the
runway dissapears under the nose in landing attitude and my instructor
has told me the same. I find that even when my instructor is landing
the plane (so I'm _sure_ it's in the correct attitude) I can still see
the runway over the nose.

He also told me where the horizon should pass through the glare sheild
in level flight and other attitude short cuts. These things don't line
up for me. But, I have looked over at him and I sit up a few inches
higher. I also find that the rear view mirror in almost every car is
right in my line of sight.

Nobody seems to address this. I'm landing OK for a mid time student
(~35 hours, ~150 landings) and I can still see the runway over the
nose, even when I get the stall beep just at touchdown. This sight
picture has to be different for different folks based on eye height
over the seat. Am I that strange? I'm only 5' 11".

John Stevens
Solo Student, ~35 hours

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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Sounds like you are leveling off a tad too high. Since you have been
used to making flat landings, the new sight picture (or lack of) is
probably making all the difference. Instead of looking straight ahead,
try to look sideways. Use your peripheral visiion to focus some
attention on the pavement through your side window.

I've read a number of sources that advocate looking to the side as the
runway dissapears under the nose in landing attitude and my instructor
has told me the same. I find that even when my instructor is landing
the plane (so I'm _sure_ it's in the correct attitude) I can still see
the runway over the nose.

He also told me where the horizon should pass through the glare sheild
in level flight and other attitude short cuts. These things don't line
up for me. But, I have looked over at him and I sit up a few inches
higher. I also find that the rear view mirror in almost every car is
right in my line of sight.

Nobody seems to address this. I'm landing OK for a mid time student
(~35 hours, ~150 landings) and I can still see the runway over the
nose, even when I get the stall beep just at touchdown. This sight
picture has to be different for different folks based on eye height
over the seat. Am I that strange? I'm only 5' 11".

John Stevens
Solo Student, ~35 hours


C172? How high/low do you have the seat adjusted and do you remember to
always set the same seat height each time you fly?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote:
[my message snipped]

C172? How high/low do you have the seat adjusted and do you remember to
always set the same seat height each time you fly?

As far as I know, the 172 I fly does not have a seat height adjustment.
Only back and forth. So, yes, it's always set at the same height. I'll
check the POH when I get home tonight and see if I've just missed this
adjustment. For me, it dosen't seem a problem, I can see and land fine.
I just sit "tall in the saddle" so to speak.

In another plane (Piper Cub, for instance) it would be _very_
different. I've talked to my dad (who learned in a Cub) and flown it in
MS FS. _No_ visibility out the front unless the tail is up.

John Stevens
Solo Student, ~35 hours
(and weather permitting, I'll get some more tommorrow! Yipee!)

John, where do you live?
Find an airport that rents taildraggers, preferably a Cub, and get a
couple of hours dual with you flying from the back seat.
I promise you, you will learn to use your peripheral vision and keep the
nose up to land.

"john smith" wrote in message
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John, where do you live?
Find an airport that rents taildraggers, preferably a Cub, and get a
couple of hours dual with you flying from the back seat.
I promise you, you will learn to use your peripheral vision and keep the
nose up to land.

OK, I'll bite. Why is this skill so much more important in the Cub, so much
so that he will learn this skill, only in a Cub? (or so implied)
--
Jim in NC

John, where do you live?
Find an airport that rents taildraggers, preferably a Cub, and get a
couple of hours dual with you flying from the back seat.
I promise you, you will learn to use your peripheral vision and keep the
nose up to land.

OK, I'll bite. Why is this skill so much more important in the Cub, so much
so that he will learn this skill, only in a Cub? (or so implied)

Jim, have you ever flown from the back seat of a Cub and done full stall
landings? The Cub nose stands pretty tall.
Even in the backseat of a Champ, I can still see forward pretty well.

If we did it perfectly, we wouldn't have an excuse to go try again,
would we?
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.