Flying into NYC for Thanksgiving Day Parade

John Doe wrote:

If I'm trying to get to TEB from the south, my direct flight takes me right
over the top of Newark (yea right). How painful is it going to be to get
around Newark and into TEB from the south?

IMO, the easiest thing for you to do is to call up Newark and go through the
class-B. If the winds allow, they'll probably bring you right up the river and
then swing you around to land from the north.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

David Megginson wrote:

when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.


That is not my experience. I fly into that area all the time (I primarily
fly out of CDW), and I cannot recall the last time that occurred. It *has*
occurred; don't get me wrong. But it's been a long time since.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

when you call NY approach from the north flying into KCDW or KTEB,
they'll just tell you to descend and remain clear of class B anyway.

That is not my experience. I fly into that area all the time (I primarily
fly out of CDW), and I cannot recall the last time that occurred. It *has*
occurred; don't get me wrong. But it's been a long time since.

I should clarify -- NY approach is happy to provide flight following
further out, but when I get close to the class B and switch
frequencies, they direct me underneath. I've come in VFR three times
to KTEB or KCDW from the north and have had the same thing all three
times.


All the best,


David

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB. If you
park at either Long Island Jet Center or Atlantic Aviation, they will take
you to the Farmingdale Long Island Rail Road train station 5 minutes away.
Contrary to what Dave M wrote, an evening trip TO NYC is not rush hour. Even
if it was, the trains operate on a schedule and they're on-time about 95% of
the time so a delay should not be expected. Delays due to other reasons are
usually 5-10 minutes. Actually, trains run every 20 minutes during rush hour
as opposed to once an hour at other times (off-peak) so it's probably better
during rush hour (albeit a bit crowded).

The actual train ride is about 55 minutes and it will take you into Penn
Station like the trains coming from NJ. I would either go to FRG or MMU in
NJ. Weather looks dicey, use caution.

Marco Leon



"John Doe" wrote in message
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"David Megginson" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the
Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.

Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?

IFR or VFR?

If you're coming in VFR, it's nice to pick an airport on the same side
of the class B as you are, all other things being equal. I come from
the north, so it's trivially easy to get into Teterboro (KTEB) or
Caldwell (KCDW) VFR. IFR, you can get some funky routings no matter
what you do. You'll be coming from the south, so I don't know what
would work best. Linden? (I've never tried it).

I've found that Republic (KFRG), Caldwell, and Teterboro all have
similar costs for tie-down and fuel. From Republic, you get a lift in
the FBO van to the LIRR station and take the train into Penn Station;
from Teterboro, you take an expensive taxi/limo ride or a cheap bus to
the Port Authority. From Caldwell, an expensive car/taxi is
pretty-much your only realistic choice.

Personally, I plan to stick with Teterboro from now on, because I fly
in from Canada, and Teterboro has customs onsite at Atlantic Aviation
(so I don't have to make an extra stop in Massena). It's on the wrong
side of the class B for you, though.

Republic sounds tempting vs TEB. How long is the train ride to Penn
Station?






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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

From what I've heard, FRG is much more spamcan-friendly than TEB. Small
planes are second-class citizens compared to the biz jets at TEB.

Not true. If you respond promptly to ATC calls, keep your speed up on
final, and know the taxiways and departure procedures at Teterboro, the
controllers and FBOs will give your spamcan the same excellent service as
the corporate jets.

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004, my
only complaints were the fees, the dirt that accumulated on my aircraft
every week from having to be tied down outside, and the occasional longer
delays getting out of there IFR.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

After flying into and out of there every week during the summer of 2004,
my only complaints were the fees

The fees have gone up since. ATC doesn't care, but the people charging for
space on the ground are rather unfriendly to small GA aircraft. In a way,
it makes sense. If we take up the same space as 1/4 of a jet they want to
make the same income as 1/4 of a jet.

- Andrew

Besides the others mentioned, you have MMU (Morristown, NJ). They have a
Signature FBO.
It's about five minutes away from Convent station that's a straight shot
into Penn Station, which is on 34th Street, west side, which is where you
want to be. Their vans will take to the station (don't know about the
return trip from the station) Taking the train to/from Penn Station is
preferable to a bus to/from Port Authority. MMU is far less busy than TEB (a
consideration if you're flying in Wednesday) . There are hotels nearby too.

http://www.bba-aviation.com/flightsu...locations/mmu/

Also, there's HPN (White Plains, NY), a bit further away.



"John Doe" wrote in message
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Hello all,

I was thinking about flying the family up to NYC to see the Thanksgiving
Day
Parade.

Anyone recommend an airport to fly in to?

I would rather not rent a car, just get into town somehow and then the
walk
or cab it while in the city.

Flight would be flown IFR from Norfolk (ORF) to wherever near NYC. Any
preferred routes/arrivals would be appreciated as well.

Thanks.

Here's a rollup of FBO prices at TEB for this week:

Signatu $38/night
Atlantic: $25/night
1st Aviation $35/night
Million Air $45/night

Gas prices ranged from $5 to over $6/gallon

Wow.

John Doe wrote:

Here's a rollup of FBO prices at TEB for this week:

Signatu $38/night
Atlantic: $25/night
1st Aviation $35/night
Million Air $45/night

Gas prices ranged from $5 to over $6/gallon

Millionare used to wave the first night's fee if fuel were purchased, or if
you talked really sweet to the counter women. I would call and inquire
about this if you are going to TEB.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
John Doe wrote:

Here's a rollup of FBO prices at TEB for this week:

Signatu $38/night
Atlantic: $25/night
1st Aviation $35/night
Million Air $45/night

Gas prices ranged from $5 to over $6/gallon

Millionare used to wave the first night's fee if fuel were purchased, or
if
you talked really sweet to the counter women. I would call and
inquire
about this if you are going to TEB.


That is a true statement. (I called to verify)