Some bad controllers

another main problem I had was him letting another plane get so close in IMC that
he had to give me a traffic alert. what happened to this seperation I was suppose
to be getting.

Teacherjh wrote:

freezing level was 7000-8000
[...]
I start my decent, between some clouds

Between how much cloud? This could be a serious pilot error, or not a big deal

so here I am now down from my
safe altitude above the clouds
[...]
I amnow stuck and I needed my
clearence or I would be in trouble.

... which is why I ask, above.

because he was too busy.
noone was talking except me.

On that frequency. Controllers often work many frequencies, and do things
besides talk on the radio.

then he does not want
me to do the ILS, he tells me to
decend to 2700 ft and to be
prepared for the visual.

You can request the ILS. But if he's clearing you for a visual, then you can
probably complete the visual. Not always though... I got a visual into DXR
once, but was in some CB and needed a real approach. The controller asked what
I wanted, so I took the Loc 8.

and I didnt even tell you
about the 1500 fpm downdraft
or when my engine started
losing power.

OK controllers, admit it. You have secret radio control over the weather and
the engine. Now if you could only control the hobbs meter for me too!

Jose

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Jeff wrote:

another main problem I had was him letting another plane get so close in IMC that
he had to give me a traffic alert. what happened to this seperation I was suppose
to be getting.

You pushed him and he probably tried to fit you in, which resulted in the traffic
aleart. Have you ever visited the TRACON, plugged in, and asked about the handoff
procedures from center to approach control for IFR arrivals?

the traffic alert came about 20 minutes after the clearance.
you fishing to look for the controller to be 100% right which we all know is not always
the case.


wrote:

Jeff wrote:

another main problem I had was him letting another plane get so close in IMC that
he had to give me a traffic alert. what happened to this seperation I was suppose
to be getting.

You pushed him and he probably tried to fit you in, which resulted in the traffic
aleart. Have you ever visited the TRACON, plugged in, and asked about the handoff
procedures from center to approach control for IFR arrivals?

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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On that frequency. Controllers often work many frequencies,
and do things besides talk on the radio.


When controllers are working many frequencies they typically broadcast on
all of them simultaneously. You won't hear other aircraft, but you will
hear the controller.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

On that frequency. Controllers often work many frequencies,
and do things besides talk on the radio.



When controllers are working many frequencies they typically broadcast on
all of them simultaneously. You won't hear other aircraft, but you will
hear the controller.



Is this true for all positions? I think our local controllers (sleepy
old ELM) sometimes work tower and ground at the same time and you don't
hear the ground communications on tower and vice versa.


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

On that frequency. Controllers often work many frequencies,
and do things besides talk on the radio.



When controllers are working many frequencies they typically broadcast
on
all of them simultaneously. You won't hear other aircraft, but you will
hear the controller.



Is this true for all positions? I think our local controllers (sleepy
old ELM) sometimes work tower and ground at the same time and you don't
hear the ground communications on tower and vice versa.


I don't know about in a tower cab, but when positions (ie-sectors) are
combined within radar facilities, the frequencies (transmitters and
receivers) are routed to whatever position gets the airspace. Thus, the
controller can hear on all freq's assigned to his airspace, and only has to
key his own mic to transmit. His transmissions are broadcast on all
frequencies he is working even though other stations can only hear the voice
traffic on their discrete freq. And I'm sure there could be non VSCS
exceptions in the wide open spaces of ARTCC's like ZAN, ZLC, ZDV, but surely
not in a tiny little piece of airspace that is a Tracon like Phoenix. (not
saying they ain't busy, just that Tracons don't usually cover much
territory....)

Chip, ZTL

In article , "Matthew S. Whiting"
writes:

Is this true for all positions? I think our local controllers (sleepy
old ELM) sometimes work tower and ground at the same time and you don't
hear the ground communications on tower and vice versa.


My experience when this would happen is that tower says "stay with me" or "stay
this freq" instead of working me on a different freq.

Chuck

PaulaJay1 wrote:
In article , "Matthew S. Whiting"
writes:


Is this true for all positions? I think our local controllers (sleepy
old ELM) sometimes work tower and ground at the same time and you don't
hear the ground communications on tower and vice versa.



My experience when this would happen is that tower says "stay with me" or "stay
this freq" instead of working me on a different freq.

Chuck

That happens often on the way back in, but they've always used .9 for
clearance delivery and taxi clearance outbound. Often when I arrived
late at night I would get the stay with me instruction. However, I
always call the ground frequency when heading out and have never been
instructed to switch to tower for either my IFR or taxi clearance.


Matt