Angry

Peter Duniho wrote:

What's the point in being angry? Stupid or careless people kill their
families every day. How is this any different, for example, from this
highway accident:

I see your point, but to me every preventable (no, not the sit on your
couch or fly comparison here - I mean poor decision making) GA airplane
accident that kills especially children is yet another black mark against
"those small planes."

You discuss a logical response but the non-flying masses, those who read
the newspapers and watch their favorite talking heads, will most certainly
respond with emotion.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote

I see your point, but to me every preventable (no, not the sit on your
couch or fly comparison here - I mean poor decision making) GA airplane
accident that kills especially children is yet another black mark against
"those small planes."

So what if it was a mechanical problem, with an airplane that was well
maintained, well equipped, with a pilot that was well qualified to fly in
weather like the crash weather? What is the response then? Who is there to
get angry at, or to react towards?
--
Jim in NC

Peter Duniho wrote:

Save the anger for things that
matter (like politicians who break the law, lie about it until they are
exposed, and then claim that they don't have to obey the law).

Give it a rest. Clinton has been out of office for years, now.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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Peter Duniho wrote:

Save the anger for things that
matter (like politicians who break the law, lie about it until they are
exposed, and then claim that they don't have to obey the law).

Give it a rest. Clinton has been out of office for years, now.

Yea but the other Clinton is still on the prowl. God help us.

Angry that pilots sometimes devolve into emotional civilians who think
SE planes are intrinsicly dangerous and can't believe anyone would
actually fly one of those machines at night or in the clouds. Maybe
Hilton needs to stick with riding in the back of 737s.

-Robert

dave j wrote:
Angry, I think because it is so senseless and needless. It's upseting
to see people killing their families in stupid ways. I don't know what
it is about the hills around gilroy, but they seem to be magnets for
airplanes.

A couple of years ago, a CFI and Commercial student hit the hills in similar
conditions although it was day time. Scud ran all the way from RHV along
Hwy 101 below 500' in a Commander and then ran into the hills when they
tried to get through next to the reservoir near Hollister (heading into the
valley).


On the other hand, I might disagree with Hilton about whether the time
and type/age of the AC made for unacceptable risk factors for family
flying in and of themselves. If the pilot was skilled for IMC and the
plane was properly equipped and maintained, I don't have a problem with
it.

The database lists the owner with no IFR rating, only ASEL. Disclaimer:
Might not have been the owner flying, might have got his IR recently, etc
etc etc.


There is, of course, the old single-engine-night-imc worry of
engine failure, but I'd bet $0.50 that this plane augured in with
cruise power. (that's purely speculation, of course, but I'd bet $0.50)

Reports of 'aerobatics' probably imply a spin, which in turn probably
implies disorientation, which probably implies a stupid VFR into IMC flight
at night. Obviously, yes, we'll have to wait for the final report, but
unfortunately with most accidents, just the names and faces change.

Hilton

A couple of years ago, a CFI and Commercial student hit the hills in similar
conditions although it was day time. Scud ran all the way from RHV along
? Hwy 101 below 500' in a Commander and then ran into the hills when
they
tried to get through next to the reservoir near Hollister (heading into the
valley).

Were they on an IFR clearance? Was this recent accident on an IFR
clearance? Sounds like you have more information about this situation
than the rest of us.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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A couple of years ago, a CFI and Commercial student hit the hills in
similar
conditions although it was day time. Scud ran all the way from RHV along
? Hwy 101 below 500' in a Commander and then ran into the hills when
they tried to get through next to the reservoir near Hollister (heading
into the
valley).

Were they on an IFR clearance?


Couldn't be on one at 500'.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
A couple of years ago, a CFI and Commercial student hit the hills in
similar
conditions although it was day time. Scud ran all the way from RHV along
? Hwy 101 below 500' in a Commander and then ran into the hills when
they
tried to get through next to the reservoir near Hollister (heading into
the
valley).

Were they on an IFR clearance?

No, but were instrument rated and it was a Commander. It may have been a
legality issue (currency etc) that cause them to go VFR, I don't know.

Was this recent accident on an IFR clearance?

FAA records show that the pilot did not have an instrument rating - now
those records are a little old, so he may have. Prelim FAA data show that
the pilot did get a weather briefing, but it does not show him on an IFR
flight plan. (Again, this data is often wrong).


Sounds like you have more information about this situation
than the rest of us.

I followed the accident pretty closely. I was watching the weather
conditions the whole week. San Jose was completely 'socked in' for days -
Sacramento/Modesto etc area was clear though so I'm sure that was tempting.
I watched the radar plot immediately afterwards and they stayed really low,
followed Hwy 101 and then took a left at the reservoir. It was a typical
scud run for about 20 minutes or so. I saw the accident area several times,
it is right on the RHV to Harris Ranch run. The CFI made numerous claims
including that he wasn't monitoring the altitude, that the plane was on fire
prior to the accident, and that he was just a passenger and not the CFI at
the time. The NTSB (correctly IMHO) rejected those claims.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?...03FA187&rpt=fi

Hilton

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wrote:

Angry, I think because it is so senseless and needless. It's upseting
to see people killing their families in stupid ways. I don't know what
it is about the hills around gilroy, but they seem to be magnets for
airplanes.

Gilroy is in a valley, with passes -- one way going to San Jose,
another to Watsonville, and another out to the San Joaquin Valley. Scud
running -- especially at night -- is too tempting for some folks and
they meet the cumulogranite.

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