Angry

Peter Duniho wrote:
Angry, I think because it is so senseless and needless. It's upseting
to see people killing their families in stupid ways.

What's the point in being angry?

There is no point in being angry. I'm not angry about this delibrately. It
makes me angry to hear about two kids who will never grow up to see their
teens, never go on a first date, never get married, etc, all because
(*probably*) of some stupid decision. As pilots, we bitch and moan that
people see 'little planes' as dangerous. Quite frankly, many pilots are
doing a great job at helping to propagate that belief and statistics. Those
kids were strapped in by an adult taking their lives in his hands. As a
father of two beautiful young girls... yes, it makes me angry.

[zip]
Anger as an emotional response to an accident like this is draining,
stressful, and misdirected. **** happens. Save the anger for things that
matter (like politicians who break the law, lie about it until they are
exposed, and then claim that they don't have to obey the law).

Using the same logic, I shouldn't feel any emotion when I transport a 2
year-old girl who has organ problems to hospital. Using the same logic, I
shouldn't feel any emotion when this girl runs up and gives me a big bear
hug and kisses me on the cheek. Using the same logic, I would be
emotionally dead and with all due respect Pete, I prefer having my eyes
swell up with tears of joy helping on an Angel Flight.

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
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There is no point in being angry. I'm not angry about this delibrately.
It makes me angry to hear about two kids who will never grow up to see
their teens, never go on a first date, never get married, etc

So it's the hearing about it that makes you angry?

I still don't get it. News like this is all around us. Kids die every day,
usually as a result of far more heinous circumstances. A person getting
angry at the deaths, or of the news of the deaths (whichever) would have to
be angry every single day of their life.

[...]
Using the same logic, I shouldn't feel any emotion when I transport a 2
year-old girl who has organ problems to hospital. Using the same logic, I
shouldn't feel any emotion when this girl runs up and gives me a big bear
hug and kisses me on the cheek.

Using the same logic? Uh...right. You should double-check your reference
on "logic".

I'm not talking about personal experiences. I'm not saying one should leave
emotion behind. I'm saying that it makes no sense to get all emotionally
entangled with events that have absolutely nothing to do with you, that are
simply a part of every day life, that occur on a regular basis.

To sign up for doing that, you leave no room for your own personal
experiences, nor your own personal happiness.

Using the same logic, I would be emotionally dead and with all due respect
Pete, I prefer having my eyes swell up with tears of joy helping on an
Angel Flight.

Your "conclusion" doesn't use any logic, never mind "the same logic". The
two situations are entirely irrelevant of each other.

Anyway, I guess you've answered my question. I still don't comprehend being
angry about something like this (unless you're actually related to the
parties involved or something like that), but obviously each individual is
welcome to feel whatever they like. Sorry if my questioning seems like
pointless interference. I just didn't understand why the subject was
"Angry".

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

What's the point in being angry? Stupid or careless people kill their
families every day. How is this any different, for example, from this
highway accident:

I see your point, but to me every preventable (no, not the sit on your
couch or fly comparison here - I mean poor decision making) GA airplane
accident that kills especially children is yet another black mark against
"those small planes."

You discuss a logical response but the non-flying masses, those who read
the newspapers and watch their favorite talking heads, will most certainly
respond with emotion.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote

I see your point, but to me every preventable (no, not the sit on your
couch or fly comparison here - I mean poor decision making) GA airplane
accident that kills especially children is yet another black mark against
"those small planes."

So what if it was a mechanical problem, with an airplane that was well
maintained, well equipped, with a pilot that was well qualified to fly in
weather like the crash weather? What is the response then? Who is there to
get angry at, or to react towards?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Peter R." wrote

I see your point, but to me every preventable (no, not the sit on your
couch or fly comparison here - I mean poor decision making) GA airplane
accident that kills especially children is yet another black mark
against
"those small planes."

So what if it was a mechanical problem, with an airplane that was well
maintained, well equipped, with a pilot that was well qualified to fly in
weather like the crash weather? What is the response then? Who is there
to
get angry at, or to react towards?

The news was quoting relatives as saying he recently got his license, and it
was raining when he departed. The details will start to be clearer and more
accurate over the next few days.

"Tom Conner" wrote

The news was quoting relatives as saying he recently got his license, and
it
was raining when he departed. The details will start to be clearer and
more
accurate over the next few days.
The "news", huh? I'm inspired! g

I had not seen any reports of that kind. If true, that would shed a
"judgment" aspect to it, wouldn't it?

What is the saying? Single engine, crappy weather, and night; choose 2 of
3, but never all three.
--
Jim in NC

We are 100 miles due north of Gilroy, but in general, the weather patterns
are the same. That day was pretty much 200-500 overcast in light mist all
day long, and that night the accident happened we got 5 inches of rain
overnight.

Jim

The news was quoting relatives as saying he recently got his license, and
it
was raining when he departed. The details will start to be clearer and
more
accurate over the next few days.

Morgans wrote:

Q. So what if it was a mechanical problem, with an airplane that was well
maintained, well equipped, with a pilot that was well qualified to
fly in
weather like the crash weather? Who is there to get angry at...?

A. The person who risked everything in his world for an insignificant
payoff, in a game widely understood to be especially designed to
snare the arrogant fool.

If he had lost the house and the car in Vegas, we'd be all for shuffling
him off to a 12-steps program for gamblers. But since attempted the same
thing that some of us do, we just convince ourselves that it was an act
of God, or use some other mechanism for diverting attention from
ourselves and our own foolishness.

The question to ask is not, "what are the odds of something going
wrong?, but, "what are the odds of things turning out well when it does
go wrong?" And it will go wrong. That kind of thinking is the difference
between the "civilians" and those who intend to do the thing, and keep
doing it, for 30 or 40 or 50 years. It's always a matter of "when?",
not, "if?" Things are equally likely to go to hell on your 10th flight
as on your 10,000th.

Just about every year, some fool puts his Piper or Cessna into Lake
Michigan, or even little Lake Erie, because they can't be bothered to
take a longer route or, at the very least, to climb high enough to
ensure a safe emergency landing "feet dry". Some of them even do it at
night in the winter. It's easy to say they deserve what they get, but
their passengers, and the families left behind, do not.


Jack

Peter Duniho wrote:

Save the anger for things that
matter (like politicians who break the law, lie about it until they are
exposed, and then claim that they don't have to obey the law).

Give it a rest. Clinton has been out of office for years, now.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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Peter Duniho wrote:

Save the anger for things that
matter (like politicians who break the law, lie about it until they are
exposed, and then claim that they don't have to obey the law).

Give it a rest. Clinton has been out of office for years, now.

Yea but the other Clinton is still on the prowl. God help us.