see four-point sockets

"Stephen H" wrote in message
...

older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think
2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same
direction the cam did)
Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a
Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet!

Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I
would end up using! g

Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all!
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Stephen H" wrote in message
...
older Dodge Caravan (grand?) , but the round body style Late 90's I think
2.4 4cly, it held the upper motor mount together (pointing the same
direction the cam did)
Didn't actually have to remove it; and according to another tech it's a
Chrysler special tool. I wouldn't buy a set yet!

Oh, the BF Vise grip tool, or the BFH and cold chisel? Sounds like what I
would end up using! g

Of course, then there is the fire ax or the sawz-all!

BF oxy acetylene, LF dremel

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Probably needed a Torx socket. These are becoming more common
slowly. I know that Briggs and Techumseh are using them on carb bolts
now.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools

My wave has a 5 point security bit

Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:


Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.


Fire hydrant ?

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools
My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

That Makes sense.


Steve



"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools
My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

The electric company uses them here to secure the lids on in-ground
boxes. Regular 1/2" bolt with pentagon head.

You weren't trying to loosen the hood ornament were you? ;-)


Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.



--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/




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roups.com...
four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?

On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:

four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?


Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-))
I've never see a 4-pt socket, but open end wrences work well. Usually
the bolt is of such quality you can plan on twisting it off rather
then getting the nut off.

Good luck,

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com