My home airport had a crash this morning

"Flyingmonk" wrote:
JIm Logajan wrote:
Wow, hope all're OK.

Sadly no:

"4 Killed in Small Plane Crash in Calif.":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060124/...if_plane_crash

Sorry to hear that... My sincerest condolences to their families and
friends.

The Monk

I checked with FlightWare.com yesterday and it shows the last track
record of the plane during touch down is at 227 kt (at 300 msl,
pressure altitude, The airport elevation is 328 feet). It was way
tooooo fast. .

Here is the link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog

("cpu" wrote)
I checked with FlightWare.com yesterday and it shows the last track record
of the plane during touch down is at 227 kt (at 300 msl, pressure
altitude, The airport elevation is 328 feet). It was way
tooooo fast.

Here is the link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog


From 9:33 AM (10,500 ft) thru 9:36 AM (1,200 ft) they descended. At 9:37 AM
they were at 300ft. for a total drop of 10,000 ft.

That's 2,500 ft (4 minutes) or 2,000 ft (5 minute) per minute. Is that
normal for a Cessna Citation 560XL?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog


FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Result
N86CE has multiple records

Bell 206L-3
Certificate Issue Date: 04/27/1993
Cancel Date: ................04/19/1994
Destroyed
JOHNSTON COCA COLA BOTTLING CO INC

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=86CE&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind. y=0


Montblack

N86CE has multiple records
Bell 206L-3
Certificate Issue Date: 04/27/1993
Cancel Date: ................04/19/1994
Destroyed
JOHNSTON COCA COLA BOTTLING CO INC


OMG!!! ..don't any a/c owner should ever use this number again.

("cpu" wrote)
N86CE has multiple records
Bell 206L-3
Certificate Issue Date: 04/27/1993
Cancel Date: ................04/19/1994
Destroyed
JOHNSTON COCA COLA BOTTLING CO INC


OMG!!! ..don't any a/c owner should ever use this number again.


So you're saying the FAA should ..."86" that number?
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_291b.html


Montblack

Montblack wrote:
So you're saying the FAA should ..."86" that number?
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_291b.html

Well, in that case, 55 and 19. Whoa! 87-1/2!

The Monk

More information:

http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...70281365848262
Authorities probe deadly plane crash at airport in Carlsbad

January 25, 2006 8:08 AM

....
It went about 150 yards beyond the runway, smashed through a
scaffolding holding airfield equipment and into a commercial storage
facility, said Bill Polick, spokesman for the San Diego County
Department of Public Works.

It was unclear whether the plane ever touched down on the runway
before winding up about 30 yards beyond airport property, he said.

''There are no skid marks on the runway,'' Polick said.

One victim was identified as Frank H. Jellinek Jr., 60, chairman
emeritus of Fisher Scientific International, a Hampton, N.H., company
that provides products and services for labs and clinics. Jellinek was
flying into San Diego County to attend business meetings for Fisher
Scientific, said Gia Oei, a company spokeswoman.
....
Authorities were waiting for dental records to identify the other
three victims, two males and a female, said Mike Workman, a San Diego
County spokesman.

In Idaho, Sun Valley Aviation General Manager Melidee Wright told the
Wood River Journal newspaper that the following people had boarded the
plane: pilot Jack Francis, co-pilot Andy Garrett and passenger Janet
Shafran, wife of one of the aircraft's registered owners.
....
The cause of the crash was unknown. Polick said the weather was clear
and sunny with only light winds at the time.

Norman Boyd of Escondido told The Associated Press in a telephone
interview that he saw the plane landing as he drove to work near the
airport and could tell there was a problem because its landing gear
was up and it was descending quickly.

''It was heading toward the runway and the approaching speed was way
beyond what it should be,'' said Boyd, adding that he observes
takeoffs and landings daily on his way to and from work.
....
The aircraft was registered to Goship Air LLC of Ketchum, Idaho,
authorities said.

According to state incorporation records, Goship Air is owned by Kipp
Nelson and Steve Shafran, both of Ketchum. Shafran was appointed this
month to the Ketchum City Council and Nelson is an investment banker
and a trustee of the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Team Foundation.

It seems that the gear was down.
A ground observer and the online flight recording link both seemed to indicate a very high approach speed.

Is it posssible that a frozen/ plugged or partially plugged pitot tube could have caused an excesive approach speed?

I've been flying for more than 25 years and the scariest event I ever had has a frozen static port in marginal weather.



Paul

wrote:

It seems that the gear was down.
A ground observer and the online flight recording link both seemed to indicate a very high approach speed.

Is it posssible that a frozen/ plugged or partially plugged pitot tube could have caused an excesive approach speed?

I've been flying for more than 25 years and the scariest event I ever had has a frozen static port in marginal weather.

GPS provides a ground speed that is a backup for the airspeed
indicator (accounting for winds)

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:

GPS provides a ground speed that is a backup for the airspeed
indicator (accounting for winds)

Given varying winds aloft and differences between true and indicated
airspeeds, I would be very careful in using groundspeed as a backup.
Personally I would not be comfortable using it while approaching to land.

--
Peter