12 dead this weekend from GA crashes

Flyingmonk wrote:

Hmmmmmm. Wonder why uphill skiiing never caught on. Enquiry minds
want to know. :^)

Cross country skiing and telemarking, although since they both require much
more physical exertion, you are correct that they are not nearly as popular
as their downhill relative.

--
Peter

by "Peter R." Feb 7, 2006 at 08:54 PM


Flyingmonk wrote:

Hmmmmmm. Wonder why uphill skiiing never caught on. Enquiry minds
want to know. :^)

Cross country skiing and telemarking, although since they both require
much
more physical exertion, you are correct that they are not nearly as
popular
as their downhill relative.

Alpine ("downhill") skiing and Nordic (x-country) are as different as
flying fixed wing vs. helicopters.

by "Jay Honeck" Feb 7, 2006 at 04:52 AM


In the span of a week, three skiing accidents, a heart attack and an
avalanche claimed the lives of four visitors and a ski patrol veteran.

Well, really, when you get right down to it, downhill skiing is one of
the

dumbest, least productive, potentially dangerous activities known to man.

In Skylune's world

No!!! Don't regulate skiing. Live, ski, or die!

But seriously, skiing, scuba diving, ultimate frisbee, should not come
under FAA jurisdiction. We already pay user fees on 100% of the services
we use. The AIP has no $$ allocated to cut trails or build lifts, and
skiers don't need to talk to ATC. There are no NTSB investigations when a
stupid skier (like that Kennedy that died on Aspen throwing a football
around) gets killed. And skiers accept a certain amount of risk, which
can be controlled. Kind of like rec. GA.

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

by "Jay Honeck" Feb 7, 2006 at 04:52 AM


In the span of a week, three skiing accidents, a heart attack and an
avalanche claimed the lives of four visitors and a ski patrol veteran.

Well, really, when you get right down to it, downhill skiing is one of
the

dumbest, least productive, potentially dangerous activities known to man.

In Skylune's world

No!!! Don't regulate skiing. Live, ski, or die!

But seriously, skiing, scuba diving, ultimate frisbee, should not come
under FAA jurisdiction. We already pay user fees on 100% of the services
we use. The AIP has no $$ allocated to cut trails or build lifts, and
skiers don't need to talk to ATC. There are no NTSB investigations when a
stupid skier (like that Kennedy that died on Aspen throwing a football
around) gets killed. And skiers accept a certain amount of risk, which
can be controlled. Kind of like rec. GA.


They get avalanche patrols/protection, emergency medivac, snowplows,
highway patrol -- all at taxpayer expense.

--
Remve "_" from email to reply to me personally.

by Orval Fairbairn Feb 7, 2006 at 05:48
PM




They get avalanche patrols/protection, emergency medivac, snowplows,
highway patrol -- all at taxpayer expense.

The ski patrol are volunteers. No federal funding. In fact, you have to
pay for the first aid training yourself. Avalanche patrols: Not familiar
with how they are funded -- maybe state or local forestry types...

Emergency medivac: Your insurance pays for ambulance services. A ski
patrol will put you in a sled on the lower elevations -- no charge to
uncle sam.

Snowplows and highway patrol: I haven't seen any on the slopes. I'm not
sure what function they would serve.

by kontiki Feb 7, 2006 at 01:47 AM


-- Deaths of 5 Skiers Stun Mammoth

In the span of a week, three skiing accidents, a heart attack and an
avalanche claimed
the lives of four visitors and a ski patrol veteran.

MAMMOTH LAKES — The deaths of five skiers over a recent seven-day period
on or near
Mammoth Mountain appear to have been tragic accidents but have shaken
this
hamlet of
outdoor enthusiasts.

One victim was a Los Angeles dentist and avid outdoorsman, another a
retired water
deliveryman from Garden Grove, the third a San Diego teenager and the
fourth a
marketing representative from Laguna Niguel. The fifth was an
accomplished
ski patrol
member traversing the Eastern Sierra's breathtaking backcountry.

Yeah, we lose a few every year here on the east coast too. Usually too
fast, down, and slide into a tree or rock....

I think theres a difference between a sport and a federally and state
funded transportation system.

I think theres a difference between a sport and a federally and state
funded transportation system.

Yes there is (it's federally funded BTW) - but your point *whatever it
was* is lost when you start a thread trumpeting the deaths of X people
in small aircraft, and follow that up with non-sequiturs about locking
gas caps & drama etc. For a guy who doesn't fly you sure spend enough
time in here spewing your slanted BS about GA & AOPA as if you have
nothing better to do with your time. You've said before you have a
Mossberg shotgun - do you post similarly ignorant drivel on NRA
websites? You keep posting this crap to essentially the same group of
pilot readers, who by now have all written you off as a wannabe pilot
that couldn't get it done, or worse just another Internet crackpot.

Ugh. disgusted sigh

by " Feb 7, 2006 at 06:22 AM


I think theres a difference between a sport and a federally and state
funded transportation system.

Yes there is (it's federally funded BTW) - but your point *whatever it
was* is lost when you start a thread trumpeting the deaths of X people
in small aircraft, and follow that up with non-sequiturs about locking
gas caps & drama etc. For a guy who doesn't fly you sure spend enough
time in here spewing your slanted BS about GA & AOPA as if you have
nothing better to do with your time. You've said before you have a
Mossberg shotgun - do you post similarly ignorant drivel on NRA
websites? You keep posting this crap to essentially the same group of
pilot readers, who by now have all written you off as a wannabe pilot
that couldn't get it done, or worse just another Internet crackpot.

Ugh. disgusted sigh

I don't post on NRA websites, nor do I belong to that group. I see both
sides of the gun debate. I am not a wannabe pilot. Internet crackpot?
Well, ok. I'll take that handle.

(the comment about locking gas caps was in response to someone elses
lament that planes do not have these...)

As far as the "ugh!":
I'll post less, but still visit the group regularly, as I do receive lots
of good information here.

BTW, I am breaking the news on the FAA budget ahead of the AOPA (see "Bush
Budget"). Just trust me, I know about these things....

I expect a hysterical outcry is being prepared right now by the patriots
at the AOPA. I bet it will be on their web site shortly.

BTW, I am breaking the news on the FAA budget ahead of the AOPA (see "Bush
Budget"). Just trust me, I know about these things..

What... you think nobody knows about the FAA's alleged funding crisis?
The OMB says there's no problem and that they're fully funded, but the
FAA says the system is broke and we're almost outta money. Who to
believe? The feds have been careful not to use the term "user fees"
rather "fee-for-service" (you say tomato, I say tomahto)

Skylune wrote:



I think theres a difference between a sport and a federally and state
funded transportation system.

Think again. Every mountain ski area is federally and state funded.