Going around what to do?

There were two rationales given in this thread, and both of them make
sense to me... but which one would you say is more correct?

a) stay to the right to make it easier to see the traffic (sitting in
the left seat),
b) stay to the right to stay away from the pattern (and away from the
departing plane's presumed crosswind turn).

The reason for asking, of course, is what should you do if the pattern
is RH - sidestep to the left or right?

I've only had to go around for traffic once and it was a weird
situation. I was cleared for T&G on 31. 28 starts to the right of 31,
intersects it, and obviously continues to the left. I was on short
final when tower cleared someone for takeoff on 28; he started rolling.
Since i wanted no part of playing chicken at the intersection, I
immediately went around (then announced it), flew the centerline and
probably the tower gave me right traffic to stay away from the
departure end of 28. The other guy's takeoff clearance was not
canceled, and he departed.

At the time (pre-solo), I was a little rattled, the tower said "sorry
about that" and my instructor said I did the right thing. But, after
reading this thread, it made me think about it some more, and I realize
I likely did not keep the traffic in sight and in fact may have passed
directly over him at some point (certainly a possibility even if it
didn't actually happen that way). So, now I think perhaps I should
have done something differently, but what?

Not crossing 28 would be difficult at best (the airport is KAGC if
anyone wants to look at a diagram) - for one, it's going to involve
really low altitude turns - no way you're missing the approach end by
turning right, and if you go left you're headed towards the hangars and
tower. You're also not going to have a lot of choice about your
airspeed during the initial stages of the go-around. So what to do? I
know now that a 172 should easily be able to land and stop before the
intersection, but even now (a whopping ~25 hours later) I wouldn't be
entirely comfortable with that...

todd

The microphone is not a flight control. It's not what you say that counts,
it's what you do. "Buzzbomb 34X going around, moving to the right of the
runway" would be plenty. The rationale for moving to the right is that with
you in the left seat, you can watch the other plane and take evasive action
if necessary.

We have grass between the two parallel runways at Boeing Field in Seattle,
and when the tower issues a go-around it is usually "go around, fly over the
grass, maintain visual separation from the Flybird to your (right.left),
report midfield downwind."



Bob Gardner
"Nik" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ok thank you...
How would you say the intentions though?
-Nik

How would you say the intentions though?

"Too close for missiles...switching to guns."

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article 9hyGf.763279$_o.354991@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

How would you say the intentions though?

"Too close for missiles...switching to guns."

I had that happen to me one day I was #3 in a 3-ship returning. #2 went
around to clear #1, while an Apache was waiting in the runup area.

Just as I was about to turn short base-to-final, the Apache took the
runway. I radioed, "Apache, what are you doing?" Apache: "Taking off."

I was tempted to slip down and stick my wingtip in his lap but put
discretion ahead of valor.

As I cleaned up and slid to the right of the runway, I noticed that, not
only had the Apache pilot taken the runway without making sure of clear
traffic, but he apparently had full flaps and an open door. Somehow, he
managed to close the door on the takeoff roll and gain flight.

I later talked to the owner, who said that there apparently was a rogue
instructor who was selling lessons in the plane without permission.

looking back, I am glad I DIDN'T stick my wingtip in his lap, because he
apparently had his hands full enough already.

ORVAL FAIRAIRN wrote:

In article 9hyGf.763279$_o.354991@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

How would you say the intentions though?

"Too close for missiles...switching to guns."

I had that happen to me one day I was #3 in a 3-ship returning. #2 went
around to clear #1, while an Apache was waiting in the runup area.

Just as I was about to turn short base-to-final, the Apache took the
runway. I radioed, "Apache, what are you doing?" Apache: "Taking off."

I was tempted to slip down and stick my wingtip in his lap but put
discretion ahead of valor.

Do you fly a RV?

Ron Lee

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..

In both cases, announce your intentions, offset your approach and fly an
upwind leg (typically to the right of the runway centerline). You should
adjust your upwind leg to keep the rogue aircraft/pilot in view until it
is no longer a collision threat.


At a controlled field, unless told otherwise, you should overfly the runway
while climbing to traffic pattern altitude.

Sorry, I don't fly over the same runway when another aircraft could be
right below me, or that I could run into it. ATC would be quite okay
with you sidestepping. That is, of course, if you didn't already
receive instructions telling you to get out of the way.

At a non-towered field, see the above, but announce intentions. If I
lose sight of the other traffic, it's no longer "See and Avoid". It
becomes, "I made a bad decision and hope the other plane avoids me."

Chris G.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..
In both cases, announce your intentions, offset your approach and fly an
upwind leg (typically to the right of the runway centerline). You should
adjust your upwind leg to keep the rogue aircraft/pilot in view until it
is no longer a collision threat.


At a controlled field, unless told otherwise, you should overfly the runway
while climbing to traffic pattern altitude.

"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...

Sorry, I don't fly over the same runway when another aircraft could be
right below me, or that I could run into it. ATC would be quite okay
with you sidestepping. That is, of course, if you didn't already
receive instructions telling you to get out of the way.


The instruction, "go around", by itself, means overfly the runway while
climbing to traffic pattern altitude. You're not complying with the
instruction if you sidestep to the right without being told to do so.

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:11:41 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Chris G." wrote in message
freenews.net...

Sorry, I don't fly over the same runway when another aircraft could be
right below me, or that I could run into it. ATC would be quite okay
with you sidestepping. That is, of course, if you didn't already
receive instructions telling you to get out of the way.


The instruction, "go around", by itself, means overfly the runway while
climbing to traffic pattern altitude. You're not complying with the
instruction if you sidestep to the right without being told to do so.


Maybe so, but the pilot in command is the ultimate authority for
the safety of the flight....

For what it's worth, I'd only side-step if I didn't like what I saw
below and in front of me. Letting ATC know what I was doing
would of course be a polite thing to do!

Bela P. Havasreti

Chris G. wrote:
Sorry, I don't fly over the same runway when another aircraft could be
right below me, or that I could run into it. ATC would be quite okay
with you sidestepping.

ATC is usually not ok with you doing something unless they've told you
to do it or they know you're going to do it.