Two 14 year old boys steal plane and then crash

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Then perhaps you can understand my position?

Sure do, although not knowing the details of this stolen aircraft, I am
unable to judge whether anyone was actually dodging responsibility.
Perhaps the boys will come forward, admit full responsibility, and request
the fullest penalty of the law as a response for their very stupid action?

Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?

In cases such as this? Probably poor parenting. I have three young boys
ages 8, 6, and 1. Through my (and my wife's) actions and words, the older
are consistently taught responsibility, decency, and respect for authority.

They are absolutely held to a high standard and are accountable for every
one of their actions through swift discipline. My effective tool is more a
loud voice and removal of privileges rather than physical threat, although
in one memorable case even that was needed early on to stop some harmful
behavior, which it immediately did.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Then perhaps you can understand my position?

Sure do, although not knowing the details of this stolen aircraft, I am
unable to judge whether anyone was actually dodging responsibility.
Perhaps the boys will come forward, admit full responsibility, and request
the fullest penalty of the law as a response for their very stupid action?

Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?

In cases such as this? Probably poor parenting. I have three young boys
ages 8, 6, and 1. Through my (and my wife's) actions and words, the older
are consistently taught responsibility, decency, and respect for
authority.

They are absolutely held to a high standard and are accountable for every
one of their actions through swift discipline. My effective tool is more
a
loud voice and removal of privileges rather than physical threat, although
in one memorable case even that was needed early on to stop some harmful
behavior, which it immediately did.

Sounds like your wife knew my wife.

Mine are 26, 23, and 20 and I'd stack them against all comers.

When my oldest was just short of two, he tried to grab christmas lights off
the tree. My wife grabbed him, said (softly) "No, it's hot" then took his
hand and quickly touched the light to show what _hot_ meant. He never did it
again (though he did take the hollow plastic ornaments off and fill them
with water). :~)

Kids comprehend a hell of a lot more than most people realize. Now, if only
adults would comprehend things other than base thuggery.

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Peter
Then perhaps you can understand my position? Why are the youth of today
so far out of touch with common decency in society and seem to have
lost any sembalance of moral compass?
Damnnnn...even my own son lost his way and I shake my head trying to
figure it out. Is it that society has allowed them to just drift along
without fear of retribution for their actions?
He is afraid to come to me and try his weak **** excuses because he
knows I don't buy into it or them. Breaks my heart on a daily
basis..... But then I have a daughter a year older who is solid gold
and also wonders why her brother is sour....?
I'd still beat his ass to a puffy state! Or, as they say in the middle
east, I'd "flog him".
Semper Fi
Rocky
Hug your son and tell him you love him. Tell him no matter what he does you
love him. Tell him he is old enough to make his own decisions. Tell him you
can guide him, but you cant make him do anything.
Getting mad does no good it only creates more anger and resentment on both
sides.
If he is hanging around kids that you know are doing drugs and are a bad
influence tell him about it. Don let those kids hang around, you cant
control him when he isn't home but you can control the home.
Talk to him all the time ask him how his day was, try to get him to go
places with you. Take him shopping you don't need to buy anything just dream
with him. The whole time ask him what's he likes to do. Guide him toward a
job he will like.
Remember the most important thing is to tell you love him, tell your wife to
tell him this tell your daughter to tell him this. Get your brother your
best friend anyone close to talk and spend time, don't let him get away. You
will be surprised when your not on his case day after day.
Don't buy him a bunch of things make him work for it, but if he does work
for it don't let him down.
If your lucky in time things will change. He will realize the support that
he has from family and friends, he wont want to let them down.
Did I say hug him and tell him you love him.

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message
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If your lucky in time things will change. He will realize the support that
he has from family and friends, he wont want to let them down.
Did I say hug him and tell him you love him.

And if that doesn't work, beat the **** out of him...

Oh, don't get me wrong... I am not saying I disagree with your philosophy
in the least. However, I have seen the oddest behaviors from "do-gooders"
in this useless state.

For instance...

While in a blockbuster video, a kid (about age 5) was being a major pain
and the parent swatted the kid on the rear while in the store. Another
person came up and "detained" them until the police showed up. True story
which I personally observed.

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MIke in Temecula
Well, I'd take him out to Dulzura and leave him there! That would be a
real wake up! Or, perhaps closer to you in De Luz....?
No matter, I'm still old school USMC and would beat his ass to a
healthy puffy dimension...
Semper Fi
Rocky

--
Mike Flyin'8
PP-ASEL
Temecula, CA
http://flying.4alexanders.com

Well, there ya go. The "do-gooder" is setting themselves up for a civil
suit for wrongful arrest. Had it been me, I'm afraid I'd have gone to
jail for assault and battery on the jerk for interferring with my
parenting skills. Yeh I know, that sounds like a godawful attitude and
a real butthead. But, my kids still say "Yes Sir" and "No Ma'm",and
hold doors open for people, and show respect for people. How they act
privately is open for speculation but I think I'd still bet on my kids
being respectful of others and their property.
Are people afraid to demand some societal respect and behaviour? Well
somebody better get their act together or we're all gonna go down in
flames.
I'm an active flight instructor and to no surprise, my students still
address me as "Sir" without any demands to do so. I'd like to delude
myself into thinking its out of respect? The majority of them are young
officers in the Navy or Marine Corps.

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Well, there ya go. The "do-gooder" is setting themselves up for a civil
suit for wrongful arrest. Had it been me, I'm afraid I'd have gone to
jail for assault and battery on the jerk for interferring with my
parenting skills. Yeh I know, that sounds like a godawful attitude and
a real butthead.

Yeah...it sure does. Sounds like martial skills, not parenting skills.

But, my kids still say "Yes Sir" and "No Ma'm",and
hold doors open for people, and show respect for people.

See my post to Grumman-581.

How they act
privately is open for speculation but I think I'd still bet on my kids
being respectful of others and their property.
Are people afraid to demand some societal respect and behaviour? Well
somebody better get their act together or we're all gonna go down in
flames.

I'm an active flight instructor and to no surprise, my students still
address me as "Sir" without any demands to do so. I'd like to delude
myself into thinking its out of respect? The majority of them are young
officers in the Navy or Marine Corps.

My son (never hit, etc) is a USN LT (jg) and he would. He was taught WHY
courtesty and good manners are a good deal (it's reciprocal). Infer from
that what you will.

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Oh, don't get me wrong... I am not saying I disagree with your philosophy
in the least. However, I have seen the oddest behaviors from "do-gooders"
in this useless state.

For instance...

While in a blockbuster video, a kid (about age 5) was being a major pain
and the parent swatted the kid on the rear while in the store. Another
person came up and "detained" them until the police showed up. True story
which I personally observed.

"This is my .45... This is your brain scattered across the videos... Any
questions?"

If you leave bruises, it could be viewed at abuse... Red marks left on the
butt don't count... Slapping the kid in the face is not really acceptable
though... Hell, what do you think that butts evolved for? Sitting? Nawh...

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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Oh, don't get me wrong... I am not saying I disagree with your philosophy
in the least. However, I have seen the oddest behaviors from
"do-gooders"
in this useless state.

For instance...

While in a blockbuster video, a kid (about age 5) was being a major pain
and the parent swatted the kid on the rear while in the store. Another
person came up and "detained" them until the police showed up. True
story
which I personally observed.

"This is my .45... This is your brain scattered across the videos... Any
questions?"

If you leave bruises, it could be viewed at abuse... Red marks left on the
butt don't count... Slapping the kid in the face is not really acceptable
though... Hell, what do you think that butts evolved for? Sitting?
Nawh...

I remember each of my kids throwing one tantrum in a store/restaurant/public
place. ONCE.

They were not hit, or slapped, or spanked.

They we're picked up by the belt, or whatever I could get ahold of, and
carried out of the place. Like RIGHT NOW!

It's like that TRUTH troll/puke -- you give into their tantrums once and
they've got you by the booboo until you teach them otherwise.

Sometimes that _otherwise_ never happens, and sometimes it doesn't happend
until he kid is 12-14-16 and it's virtually impossible to stop.

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You can bet the insurance company will not pay off for 'Wrongful
conversion" and Dad will be left with a hefty bill to get his Mooney
back to flyable.

Why is that? The owner himself was not the operator at the time of the
accident.

The fact that the thief of the aircraft was his son does not negate the
fact that the aircraft was stolen and damaged. As an aircraft owner
myself, I have confidence that this aircraft will be covered by the owner's
insurance policy.

--
Peter