filing IFR plan for VFR flight conditions

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Steve...

Do you by any chance fly VFR, in a busy terminal airspace, perhaps
during the "push"? You sure seem to have a hard time grasping some
pretty obvious and simple concepts that I am discussing... or you just
seem determined to ask "why" an awful lot. I'm sorry I am not being
detailed enough to suit your needs.


Dave, I think it's you that's having difficulty grasping the concept. A
previous poster wrote about flying "right over top of Class-C and Class-B"
airspace. He added, "if you talk to them, even if you're clear of their
airspace, they'll try to route you over hell and gone." In my response I
stated that was possibly an error on ATC's part over the top of Class C
airspace and definitely an error on their part over Class B airspace. It's
possibly an error over Class C airspace because Class C services are
provided to participating aircraft in the outer area just as they are in the
Class C airspace proper. Outside of Class B or Class C airspace, or the
outer area associated with Class C airspace, or a TRSA, ATC should not
assign headings, routes altitudes, etc, to VFR aircraft. To do so violates
FAA Order 7110.65, the document which prescribes air traffic control
procedures and phraseology for use by persons providing air traffic control
services. If you've been following the thread, you know we've been
discussing operations outside of these types of airspace. So what is this
"busy terminal airspace" you're referring to?

Dave S wrote:
: If you dont take their "recommended vector" they can terminate your
: radar services arbitrarily under the "workload" clause.

: If you want flight following, you have to play ball.

Right... my original point refers to controllers who categorically vector
any VFR traffic that chooses to talk to them from their current position outside the
controlled airspace to a position even more outside of the controlled airspace. I
would think controllers would prefer anyone within the area to be in communication
with them and not penalize those VFR folk who chose to play by vectoring them around.
It's safer for everyone to be in communication and close to somebody else than to be
just as close without communication.

-Cory


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