Multi engine plane for PPL or Pilot Training

Same thing happens if he goes the SE route.. he can't be PIC in a twin
without another check ride.
So what's your point?
BT

"Doug" wrote in message
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Also, when you are done, you won't have single engine land privileges,
just mutiengine. So you won't be able to be PIC in a single without
another checkride.

Same thing happens if he goes the SE route.. he can't be PIC in a twin without another check ride. So what's your point?

Just that you'd think someone who got their PPL in a twin wouldn't need
a checkride to have SE PIC privileges. Obviously there's more involved
in learning to fly a twin so that you'd think the SE authorization
would be automatic.

"Kingfish" wrote in message
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Same thing happens if he goes the SE route.. he can't be PIC in a twin
without another check ride. So what's your point?

Just that you'd think someone who got their PPL in a twin wouldn't need
a checkride to have SE PIC privileges. Obviously there's more involved
in learning to fly a twin so that you'd think the SE authorization
would be automatic.

So one would think.. but that guy getting training in a twin has different
engine out procedures than the SE guy. Hate to have the engine start
coughing and the first thing he does is "cage" a perfectly good engine with
no "second" engine to carry him home. Also some "Twins" don't have to worry
about things like P-factor
BT

Here's something I've never heard anybody say:

"My first solo was in a twin engine airplane."

"Kingfish" wrote in message
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I don't think there's any reg that says you can't, but why would you
want to? The PPL is tough enough in a fixed-gear single, why make it
more complicated by adding gear, props, and a second engine with all
the engine-out performance issues that go with it? The money you would
spend just on the PPL would be scary. I had one of my students ask me
about it years ago and we figured out how much it would cost just based
on the national average of 65-70 hours. It was almost double IIRC.
Chances are it'd take significantly longer to get the PPL in a twin so
that 65-70 figure is conservative. The cheapest twin around here to
rent - there's only one that I know of - is a Seneca I that goes for
$230/hr and with the MEI added is $275. Ouch. I do know of a guy that
did all his PPL training in a Bonanza (he had more money than God) and
it took him almost 100hrs to get it done.

While working on my CFI, I was invited to observe an instructor
teaching a primary student in a Cessna 336..a fixed gear center-line
thrust twin. This choice of aircraft simplified things a bit since
hedidn't have to worry about the complexity of retractable gear or
asymmetric thrust. He was, however, limited centerline thrust twin
only.

Seems like doing engine out work during the checkride should earn him a
SEL as well.

Seems like doing engine out work during the checkride should earn him a
SEL as well.

.... limited to asymmetric thrust singles.

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... limited to asymmetric thrust singles.

That's all singles..."Right Rudder!!!"

... limited to asymmetric thrust singles.

That's all singles..."Right Rudder!!!"

Asymmetric thrust is a multi engine term, are you referring to the left
turning tendency in singles?

It was a joke.

Sure you can. I trained a woman in a Beech Baron from zero time to her
PPL back in the 60's. Her husband had chartered me a couple times and
one day asked if I could teach his wife to fly the Baron. I told him
probably if she had a normal aptitude. So, he bought her one as a
surprise birthday present and hired me to train her. She did fine and
he still chartered me from time to time...in her airplane of course!!!
I trained a number of Japanese pilots in Piper Aztecs in the late 60's
and they were all very low time or zero when they started. Not a big
deal if you can afford it.