The new Pentagon video

"Skywise" wrote in message
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The only problem is that these folks are "true believers". There
is nothing you can give them as evidence that would dissuade them
from their "truth". They could be claiming the sky is fuscia and
even if you tape their eyelids open and force them to look at a
brilliant blue sky, they will find some way to say it's part of
the conspiracy and dismiss the evidence.

It's the whole science/pseudoscience problem.


What you just described is a good assessment of _faith_.

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cjcampbell wrote:

As I said, most of these conspiracy buffs are a bunch of holocaust
deniers and other enemies of the United States. In a just world they
would be tried and hanged as the terrorists and traitors that they
are.


I differ with you somewhat here. The scenario you describe is
dangerously similar not to a just but an intolerant world. We should do
everything we can to preserve freedom of everything, speech included,
so stifling a dissenting voice is no solution.



The best way to beat
such people down is with objective, irrefutable evidence although I
agree it'd involve the precious time of many.

That would only convince a few on the margin. Conspiracy nuts are not
rational people. Some get a kick out of messing with peoples heads. Some are
just seeking attention like kids being obnoxious. Some are just basket
cases.

Rather than suppress them, the best way is to let them speak. The
overwhelming majority of the time they refute themselves. The trick is:
don't respond to them directly; instead address the audience in general.
Convince the rational, don't waste time with the irrational. Remember that
reason only works with reasonable people.

Recently, Ol Shy & Bashful posted:

Having been onsite for quite a number of airplane crashes, numerous
military aircraft, jets and piston, single and multi engine, the thing
that struck me was the lack of aircraft wreckage and the bodies of
occupants.
Curious that the hole was round and showed no evidence of the wings or
engines impacting the building. Large pieces of engines have been on
every crash site I ever photographed as part of an accident
investigation team.
I know the conspiracy buffs want to go someplace with it. I'd like to
know what in hell happened to all the aircraft parts and pieces? Even
the space shuittle left a lot of wreckage and bodies that were
identified from how big an explosion and how high?

I have to agree. I don't have any theories, conspiracy or otherwise, but I
would like to know what happened to all those parts that should have been
strewn over the vicinity.

Neil

On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:17:55 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

I have to agree. I don't have any theories, conspiracy or otherwise, but I
would like to know what happened to all those parts that should have been
strewn over the vicinity.

Neil

I'm with ya there....

I helped recover the wreckage from an L-39 that hit the ground nearly
vertically going 500+ knots. Much of the vertical fin was still in
one piece. The impact crater was 10+ feet deep. The hot section of
the engine, though banged up, was very recognizable and we found it
50+ hundred yards away from the impact crater. We found a few smashed
instruments, a partial control stick, and lots of metal pieces the
size of your fist or smaller, some a little bigger (he biggest /
heaviest recognizable pieces were the landing gear assemblies).
It took us over a week to pick up all the bits and pieces, some of
which, ended up as far as a 1/4 of a mile away from the impact crater.


In a crash of this magnitude, you typically find small stuff literally
everywhere... like bits / lengths of wire for example... there are
miles of wire in an airliner...., bits and pieces of insulation,
plexiglas, etc. We found things you wouldn't think you'd find too,
like whole pages here and there out of an approach plate / book,
currency (coin & bill), the airframe data-plate, etc..

Bela P. Havasreti

On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:17:55 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

I have to agree. I don't have any theories, conspiracy or otherwise, but I
would like to know what happened to all those parts that should have been
strewn over the vicinity.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...html?page=&c=y

Even though it has only now been officially released, that video was
going around on the Internet since 2001. Oh hum.

The aircraft flew over my neighborhood on the way to the Pentagon. A
number of my neighbors saw it, and wondered, since this was not a
normal flight path. I was at work a few miles from the Pentagon, and
felt the ground shake at impact. Although my view of the Pentagon
itself was blocked by a building, I could see the black kerosene smoke.

The various conspiracy theories all provide complex explanations of
something that was far simpler -- the aircraft was hijacked, and flown
into the building at high speed.

Paul

Simple concrete proof of no conspiracy...

The previous presidnet could not get a discrete service from
a slightly overweight intern without it making national news.

Yet the conspiracy wackos think that this president organized a
conspiracy that had to involve hundreds of people over
a widely scattered geographic area,
None of which have come forward?
None of which has leaked?

I just don't think that the governement can keep that kind of secret.


Paul

I just don't think that the governement can keep that kind of secret.

Hell, the government can't get drug assistance for the elderly right -- yet
people believe that they can organize a conspiracy?

It's laughable.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article n3Nag.153382$oL.66718@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

I just don't think that the governement can keep that kind of secret.

Hell, the government can't get drug assistance for the elderly right -- yet
people believe that they can organize a conspiracy?

It's all part of the conspiracy... feigning incompetence to lull people into
thinking that there couldn't be a successful conspiracy.


:-)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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In article n3Nag.153382$oL.66718@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

I just don't think that the governement can keep that kind of secret.

Hell, the government can't get drug assistance for the elderly right --
yet
people believe that they can organize a conspiracy?

It's all part of the conspiracy... feigning incompetence to lull people
into
thinking that there couldn't be a successful conspiracy.



Feigning?