Busted TFR, what to expect?

Peter Duniho wrote:
Your strobes are required even in
daytime.

So a Cub with no electrical system, can't fly day vfr?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt
and connector".

You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient time
for a preflight inspection.

I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt
and connector".

You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient
time for a preflight inspection.

Well, maybe it's my familiarity with the bird. No, I'm not checking the
torque of every bolt, but I do use the fuel tester Phillips screw driver to
check screws for tightness. And I always sump the tanks, and check the
oil.

Additionally, I visually inspect every control surface hinge and manually
move each control surface, checking for proper hinge pin placement, etc.
On my plane, it's not possible to "open the engine up" (like we used to do
in our Warrior), so that saves me a bit of time, too. (Time I'd rather
spend, quite frankly; our one-piece fiberglass cowl may look better than the
Warriors, but I sure miss being able to visually inspect the engine before
each flight.)

I have no idea what could take more than 3 - 5 minutes, unless you find
something suspicious. Hopefully, that's a rare occasion, indeed.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient
time for a preflight inspection.

Well, maybe it's my familiarity with the bird.

No, it's not. I've owned my airplane for 12 years. Three minutes is still
insufficient.

Frankly, every post you make you add stuff to your description of your
preflight. I have no idea how you manage to do all that stuff in three
minutes. You are either recklessly rushing through everything, or you have
a completely distorted sense of time.

Next time you do a preflight, get someone to actually time you, and do the
preflight in a careful, relaxed, methodical manner. If you are really doing
everything you claim to be doing, there's no way it takes three minutes.

Three minutes is an incredibly short period of time. I'm a fast typist, and
it took at least three minutes to compose this post.

Pete

No, it's not. I've owned my airplane for 12 years. Three minutes is
still insufficient.

Frankly, every post you make you add stuff to your description of your
preflight. I have no idea how you manage to do all that stuff in three
minutes. You are either recklessly rushing through everything, or you
have a completely distorted sense of time.

That's possible, I suppose. Time spent flying (and preflighting) is NOT
deducted from your lifespan, so it pays to take your time... ;-)

I still say you're suffering from time elongation during preflight. Unless
I find something wrong or that needs adjustment, or lubrication (the yokes,
for example), or cleaning (the windshield -- but we try to do that AFTER
flight), I can't imagine taking 15 minutes on a preflight inspection. Not
on a fixed gear, single engine plane, anyway.

How long does your pre-takeoff checklist take you? Perhaps we're
commingling different parts of the lists, and counting them differently as a
result? (For example, Bob Noel checks his electric fuel pump during
pre-flight, which adds some time. We check the pump at engine start, so
we're not counting that particular check as part of our pre-flight
inspection...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:ynPdg.992508$xm3.784486@attbi_s21...

You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient
time for a preflight inspection.

Well, maybe it's my familiarity with the bird.


No, it's not. I've owned my airplane for 12 years. Three minutes is still
insufficient.

Frankly, every post you make you add stuff to your description of your
preflight. I have no idea how you manage to do all that stuff in three
minutes. You are either recklessly rushing through everything, or you have
a completely distorted sense of time.

Next time you do a preflight, get someone to actually time you, and do the
preflight in a careful, relaxed, methodical manner. If you are really doing
everything you claim to be doing, there's no way it takes three minutes.

Three minutes is an incredibly short period of time. I'm a fast typist, and
it took at least three minutes to compose this post.

I don't know about that. I counted roughly 120 words in your post. If
that took three minutes, then you are typing at 40 words per minute.
That isn't a fast typist by any means. I type 50+ and consider myself
slow. Wife and daughters type well over 100. That is fast.

I'm with Jay on this one. I could preflight my Skylane in no much more
than three minutes. I'd probably say 5 just to be on the safe side, but
it just doesn't take that long to walk around the airplane and pull, tug
and view the essential items.

Matt

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:27:41 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71::

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

Sampling/draining all five fuel sumps? Testing the stall warning
switch & ELT operation, inspecting the brake linings, looking for
hydraulic leaks, tire treads, pitot/static ports, prop condition,
spinner attachment, oleo-struts, and all the other items mentioned
he
http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUC...info.asp?ID=29

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

Sampling/draining all five fuel sumps?

Yep.

Testing the stall warning
switch

Yep.

& ELT operation

Nope. But mine is brand, spanking new.

inspecting the brake linings, looking for
hydraulic leaks, tire treads

No-can-do with Fancy Pants. Everything is inside. But I inspect for
puddles.

pitot/static ports

Yep.

prop condition,
spinner attachment

Yep.

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUC...info.asp?ID=29

Your list counts a lot of stuff that I prefer to do more as "daily
maintenance" than "pre-flight". For example, cleaning the windshield is a
whole different thing when it's your plane, in your hangar. As a renter,
cleaning the windshield was a "pre-flight" item. As an owner, it's a
"post-flight" item, so that the plane is ready to go for the next flight.
Same with fueling.

My pre-flight checks have evolved over the years. As previously stated, I
don't check my nav lights anymore unless I'm anticipating a night flight.
(Do you fly with them on in the daytime?) Strobes are checked as a roll
past my hangar rows, and I view their reflection. Checking my landing light
before engine start used to be a critical item; now, with three of them,
it's a non-event. (I can see them from the cockpit now...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight


I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...


A preflight before every flight? I don't think so. Once a day. Check
the stall warner? Every year at the annual.

How about checking the oil, and visually inspecting (dipping the tanks)
the fuel before every flight?

Fuel guages aren't always trust-worthy, and I don't know that somebody
hasn't siphoned fuel from my tanks while I was enjoying that $100
hamburger.

1st flight of the day... Always a thorough pre-flight inspection
(including duats or wxbrief).

If I stop somewhere for lunch, where the plane is out of my site for an
hour or so... Walk-around, looking to see that nobody bumped into the
bird while I was eating, dip the tanks, check the oil, and do a
standard run-up and controls check.

Day trip, where the plane has been sitting somewhere for an extended
period of time... I treat it like the first flight of the day.

I never take off, without dipping the tanks and checking the oil...

Best Regards,
Todd