Neat experience today.

While it sounds like you had a great experience, I question your decision to
go and fly with someone you didn't know at all. Personally, I never would
fly with anyone unless they had a reputation as a cautious and safe pilot,
and had a well maintained airplane. I would never fly with a stranger in an
unknown airplane.

It can generate behavior like: the airplane can do six vertical rolls (even
though I've never tried it before), or "watch how the spin recovery is easy
(even though I've never spun the plane before), or "let's do a high speed
pass down the runway and show everyone what the plane can do!" Famous last
words are :"let me show you this!"

In general people (including myself) are proud of their new shiny toys, and
like to show people what the airplane can do, even if it exceeds their own
skills, experience, or common sense. It's a perfect formula for an accident.

Just a thought.

While it sounds like you had a great experience, I question your decision to
go and fly with someone you didn't know at all. Personally, I never would
fly with anyone unless they had a reputation as a cautious and safe pilot,
and had a well maintained airplane. I would never fly with a stranger in an
unknown airplane.
It can generate behavior like: the airplane can do six vertical rolls (even
though I've never tried it before), or "watch how the spin recovery is easy
(even though I've never spun the plane before), or "let's do a high speed
pass down the runway and show everyone what the plane can do!" Famous last
words are :"let me show you this!"
In general people (including myself) are proud of their new shiny toys, and
like to show people what the airplane can do, even if it exceeds their own
skills, experience, or common sense. It's a perfect formula for an accident.

Doc, having been involve with the acro community for the past 25 years,
I can speak from experience that it sometimes takes years for some
pilots to show their true alter-ego. An acro mount usually brings it out
in short order, though.

Viperdoc wrote:

While it sounds like you had a great experience, I question your decision to
go and fly with someone you didn't know at all. Personally, I never would
fly with anyone unless they had a reputation as a cautious and safe pilot,
and had a well maintained airplane. I would never fly with a stranger in an
unknown airplane.

It can generate behavior like: the airplane can do six vertical rolls (even
though I've never tried it before), or "watch how the spin recovery is easy
(even though I've never spun the plane before), or "let's do a high speed
pass down the runway and show everyone what the plane can do!" Famous last
words are :"let me show you this!"

In general people (including myself) are proud of their new shiny toys, and
like to show people what the airplane can do, even if it exceeds their own
skills, experience, or common sense. It's a perfect formula for an accident.

Just a thought.

I was waiting for one of your kind to jump in. I'm only surprised it
took as long as it did.

He also had his mother in the back seat as she hadn't ridden in the
airplane either. I wasn't too worried.

I guess you don't fly the airlines then, eh? That would mean flying
with a stranger in an unknown (to you anyway) airplane.

Hey, I could have always pulled the chute! :-)


Matt

Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean front
property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.

Viperdoc wrote:

Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean front
property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.

Some of us are timid, some aren't. I watched him land on the way in and
the FBO manager obviously knew him from their conversation, and I know
the FBO manager well. It simply wasn't a high risk undertaking, but for
timid folks like you, I certainly wouldn't recommend it.


Matt

I don't consider myself particularly timid- I routinely fly my own plane
between -4 and +8 g, although it's rated for a lot more, and am pretty
comfortable flying upside down equally well. I also have quite a few hours
flying in the back of F-16's with live ordinance hung off the wings as well,
sitting in a hot ejection seat with a rocket motor. This has nothing to do
with timidity.

I just choose not to jump in any stranger's plane for a joy ride. In
particular there seems to be a disproportionate number of Cirrus crashes
where the pilots apparently had more money than judgment.

If he sounded like he was mature and was known and respected by the FBO
owner, then perhaps this was good enough for you. On the other hand, there
are two pilots on our field who had just purchased new planes- an SU-29 and
a brand new Pitts, and both damaged their planes significantly in landing
accidents within the first 10 hours of ownership (one of them also had an
SR-22). Both are experienced and mature individuals, and not risk takers.
Would you have wanted to be on board for a joy ride during one of those
flights?

Don't mistake good judgment or cautiousness for a lack of macho.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
...
Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean
front property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.


I would of went. I would love to fly in Cirrus. Ill take my chances with a
stranger.

Aluckyguess wrote:

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
...

Just because someone has their mother in the back doesn't make them a good
pilot as far as I can tell. If you're that trusting there's some ocean
front property in Arizona for sale that you'd probably like.



I would of went. I would love to fly in Cirrus. Ill take my chances with a
stranger.

You daredevil, you!! :-)


Matt

Viperdoc,

I would never fly with a stranger in an
unknown airplane.


And you fly alone a lot? What I'm trying to get at is: How would you
ever get a passenger to fly with you if they all thought like that?


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Matt,

I recently sold my C310 (after about 650 hours in it). The C310 was a
joy to fly, when trimmed it almost flew hands off. The plane had no
autopilot, so all those hours where hand flown.

I joined OurPlane and have been flying a SR22G for the last 6 months. I
found that the ground roll is about the same as my twin Cessna, but the
climb performance is probably better.

I also found that there was very little effort in transitioning from the
yoke to the side stick. However, the SR22 does not like to be hand flown
because the trim controls are not responsive enough. It only has an
electric trim, no hand trims. The plane likes to flown on autopilot.
With all this in mind, it remains a wonderful plane to fly.

Cary

Matt Whiting wrote:
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The rudder came alive pretty quickly on the takeoff roll, but
acceleration was sluggish compared to a 182, but probably similar to the
club Arrow I know fly, which I also consider sluggish. I don't know the
typical weight of the SR20, but it probably is nearly as heavy as the
182 with 30 less HP. The rotation speed is similar to the Arrow (65
knots was what the owner recommended) and a fair bit higher than the
182. Climb was sluggish, again much like the Arrow and at a similar
speed (90K). Once at 3500' I leveled off and the speed built up nicely.

The side stick would take some getting used to, but it wasn't bad. I
found the controls to be more sluggish than my 182, but less so than the
Arrow.

snip

I suspect that flying an SR22 might change my opinion as the main
thing with the SR20 is that it felt underpowered, just like the Arrow.
After flying a Skylane for 6 years, I really miss the performance,
particularly on takeoff.


Matt