McCain in '08

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Humm, that is an interesting take. Who else would be attacking Kerry, if
not the right?

Those that wanted to set the record straight about what Kerry was saying
about their service.

And to say it isn't political, is, wellll...

...accurate.

Ludicrous. They waited until an election season to bring it up.

I'm sure you have plenty of examples of the left attacking Kerry's military
record, sending around faked photos of him sitting next to Fonda, etc.

-c

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others.


But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message
wasn't political at all.

Ah, right. Just happened to organize and go public during an election year,
specifically for the purpose of discrediting, gee, a presidential candidate.


Yeah, uh, nothing "political at all." Yeesh.

-c

gatt wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others.


But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message
wasn't political at all.

Ah, right. Just happened to organize and go public during an election year,
specifically for the purpose of discrediting, gee, a presidential candidate.

Yeah, uh, nothing "political at all." Yeesh.

Umm, sorry to remind you, but it was John F. Kerry who decided to make Vietnam
an issue and brag about his service during his four months there. Many others
who were there during that time wished to tell their side of the story he was
publicizing on the national stage. (Kerry certainly had nothing else to talk
about, despite his 20 years as a US senator without really doing much at all
and not bothering to show up for many votes and Intelligence Committee
meetings). In 2004, a bill to extend unemployment benefits failed because of
one vote. Kerry didn't even bother to show up. What a great job of
representing his constituents.

Owen Hiller wrote:
gatt wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I remember some of the attacks on Kerry, but not the others.


But do you remember any by "the right"? I remember the Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth, but they weren't a right wing group, their message
wasn't political at all.

Ah, right. Just happened to organize and go public during an election year,
specifically for the purpose of discrediting, gee, a presidential candidate.

Yeah, uh, nothing "political at all." Yeesh.

Umm, sorry to remind you, but it was John F. Kerry who decided to make Vietnam
an issue and brag about his service during his four months there. Many others
who were there during that time wished to tell their side of the story he was
publicizing on the national stage.

He bragged about his service? Really? I must have missed that.

Many others were there? Where would that be -- Vietnam?

Their side of what story?

Doug Reese

(Kerry certainly had nothing else to talk
about, despite his 20 years as a US senator without really doing much at all
and not bothering to show up for many votes and Intelligence Committee
meetings). In 2004, a bill to extend unemployment benefits failed because of
one vote. Kerry didn't even bother to show up. What a great job of
representing his constituents.

"Owen Hiller" wrote in message
...

Ah, right. Just happened to organize and go public during an election
year,
specifically for the purpose of discrediting, gee, a presidential
candidate.

Yeah, uh, nothing "political at all." Yeesh.

Umm, sorry to remind you, but it was John F. Kerry who decided


HEY, SMART GUY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT JOHN KERRY DECIDED, ARE WE?
WHY ARE YOU SO INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT WHAT JOHN KERRY DID?

In 2004, a bill to extend unemployment benefits failed because of one vote.
Kerry didn't even bother to show up.

*shaking my head, baffled.* This is not a John Kerry debate, is it?

-c

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the
right.

They were? Have any examples?

You've already suggested that the Swift Boat thing wasn't
politically-motivated, which is ludicrous because it only came about when
Kerry became a leading candidate in the Presidential race. But, a
three-minute websearch yields plenty of examples:

[1]

"Rep. Jean Schmidt flung the word "coward" at a decorated war veteran from
Pennsylvania last week, but the Ohio Republican's comments landed with a
splat in her own Cincinnati district, where some supporters are backing away
as she scrambles to explain what she meant."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112201699.html

[2]

"Summary: Rush Limbaugh twice falsely claimed that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
had "admitted that torture worked on him" during his five years as a
prisoner of war in North Vietnam.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512090006 [There's even VIDEO.]

[3]
Keating describes in detail how, in 1992, Sampley commenced a "scurrilous"
crusade to punish McCain:

"Sampley ... accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped
death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first
been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.

"To those who know McCain and are familiar with his behavior in captivity,
the charge is ludicrous. McCain resisted his captors to such a degree that
he was isolated in a special prison for troublemakers. He repeatedly refused
special favors, including early release, and emerged as a spiritual and
religious leader for other prisoners. Nonetheless, Sampley was persistent
enough in his claims that the press in McCain's home state of Arizona picked
up on the KGB story."

In 1992, Sampley wrote a long article that portrayed McCain as a "Manchurian
candidate," who had betrayed America to the North Vietnamese and then
enlisted as a secret Communist agent . But it wasn't until seven years later
that the celebrated Navy pilot and ex-POW found out how much damage such
smears could inflict. After McCain declared his presidential candidacy in
1999, Sampley revived the "Manchurian candidate" smear as a convenient
weapon for the Senator's political enemies.
http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/c...ear/index.html

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message
...

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the
right.

They were? Have any examples?

This would be funny if you weren't serious (I had to check to be sure)
.. . .

Kerry: Well, besides the commercials on TV and countless appearances on
talk shows, there's that book -- Unfit for Command -- and a significant
portion of it is dedicated to a shameless misrepresentation of Kerry's
service.

And please don't try to tell me it wasn't politically motivated or that
those guys didn't overwhelmingly represent the right side of our
political spectrum.

McCain: One only has to look at the 2000 Republican Primary in general,
and the SC Primary in particular. That was certainly a disgusting
display.

Murtha: I assume you read the newspapers and the net "news". The attack
on his service record is right out of the Swift Boat Veterans for
"truth" playbook.

Doug Reese

gatt wrote:

"Skylune" wrote in message
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I admire McCain for his service to the country. I dislike Boyer for his
dis-service to the country.

At least you didn't go on a whacko left wing character assination track,
like certain of the lefties out west...

Character assassination is not a sole tactic of the left wing. The combat
service records of Murtha, Kerry and McCain were all attacked by the right.
I value the integrity of my own political standards which is why I was also
royally ****ed when -some- of the left was accusing GHWB of cowardice for
bailing out of his aircraft.

It's a cheap shot; accusing somebody of cowardice in combat during a life or
death struggle in which the accuser was never close to any similar
situation. Unfortunately, it's a tactic employed by contemptable and
embarrassing elements of both the left -and- right.

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam. But
that is not relevant to his political positions today, or the lack of any
accomplishments in 20 years as a Senator, plus his time spent (not much else we
can say about it is there?) as Mike Dukakis's lieutenant governor.

"Owen Hiller" wrote in message
...

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam.
But
that is not relevant to his political positions today,

Here's another.

"I'm wondering if McCain's been taken prisoner and being held as a POW by
the Kerry camp, in the Kerry Hilton, somewhere in the basement of the
C." -Rush Limbaugh http://mediamatters.org/items/200409100006

Rush Limbaugh's service to America isn't worth two cold turds in a toilet
bowl. For him to make a joke about a POW is outrageous. Limbaugh never
looked into the eyes of a loved one struggling with some unimaginable
rememberance coming at him from the dark place where old warriors attempt to
contain such things.

If he did, he would understand that making a joke about somebody's Prisoner
of War experience is rather like making a joke about a warrior watching his
comrades die.

-c

gatt wrote:

"Owen Hiller" wrote in message
...

We admire Kerry's four (4) months that he served in theatre in Vietnam.
But
that is not relevant to his political positions today,

Here's another.

"I'm wondering if McCain's been taken prisoner and being held as a POW by
the Kerry camp, in the Kerry Hilton, somewhere in the basement of the
C." -Rush Limbaugh http://mediamatters.org/items/200409100006

Rush Limbaugh's service to America isn't worth two cold turds in a toilet
bowl. For him to make a joke about a POW is outrageous. Limbaugh never
looked into the eyes of a loved one struggling with some unimaginable
rememberance coming at him from the dark place where old warriors attempt to
contain such things.

If he did, he would understand that making a joke about somebody's Prisoner
of War experience is rather like making a joke about a warrior watching his
comrades die.

Ok, now you want to have a discussion about Rush Limbaugh. Why introduce him
into the discussion? Since you brought it up, can you please provide the full
context of that quote instead of a one sentence snippet? Also, how do you know
everywhere somebody's eyes looked at every time during their life, which you
would need to know in order to make that statement?