Why GA is Dying

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
"Emily" wrote:
The best approach to unfair legislation and scare tactics is NEVER
quiet cooperation.
You state up front the following;
"I once had a cop come up to me at the observation area and ask why I
was taking pictures. I told him that it wasn't illegal and I wasn't
under any obligation to explain myself to him."
This in my opinion was an unnecessary and overly agressive response to
this situation.

When you consider the location (an observation area), that it was a white
woman, and the question itself, most people would realize the cop was using
the question as a mechanism of intimidation. Under the circumstances the cop
was clearly being overly aggressive himself and Emily's response seems to
have been proportionate. In my humble opinion of course.

By your own word, he simply asked you why you were
taking pictures. He had every right to do that,

Personally, I like to avoid arguments with people carrying side-arms. :-)
That said, just because someone has a right to say something doesn't make it
a good idea. Cops probably expect 1 out every N people will fail to be
intimidated by deliberately intimidating questions, but so long as N stays
large, they'll keep using them. As N drops toward 1, they generally stop
using that tactic. Being a policeman is sometimes a thankless and dirty job,
despite being a large value to maintaining a civil society. So there is no
reason cops should be using tools that are actually uncivil toward the
innocent and fundamentally don't accomplish anything of value toward making
our society civil.

(I obviously have no problem with people who have an anti-authority streak.
But I suppose that can sometimes make for a less-than civil society. I guess
I just can't win! :-)

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:48:26 -0000, Jim Logajan wrote:

When you consider the location (an observation area), that it was a white
woman, and the question itself, most people would realize the cop was using
the question as a mechanism of intimidation.

Profiling at its best. What about a black or oriental looking guy in his
twenties?

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"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Dudley Henriques wrote:
| snip
| It "ain't" perfect, that's for sure. The best approach
is one of quiet
| cooperation
|
| The best approach to unfair legislation and scare tactics
is NEVER quiet
| cooperation.

When post 9/11 checks started, a friend of mine, an airline
pilot, was on the road. They took his nail clippers too and
then he went to the cockpit and checked to see that the
crash axe was stowed. It would make Buffy a good vampire
killer.

There was also the case of a federal marshal who had
paperwork to carry his gun on the flight and TSA cleared him
to board with his loaded pistol, but they took his nail
clippers since they were not on the paperwork.

TSA---Too Stupid for Arby's




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James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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|
| "Emily" wrote in message
| . ..
| Dudley Henriques wrote:
|
| You can parse the "my rights are being violated" thing
to death, and you
| can complain about the inconvenience till you're blue
in the face, but
| the bottom line is simply that you can't have it both
ways.
|
| But taking pictures isn't illegal. I live right near a
large Class B
| airport with a great observation area. I also like
taking pictures. I
| once had a cop come up to me at the observation area and
ask why I was
| taking pictures. I told him that it wasn't illegal and
I wasn't under any
| obligation to explain myself to him. Yeah, he could
have made me leave,
| but knowing I was right, he walked off.
|
| My point is, when I get harassed by a cop (and harassed
I was, since I
| wasn't doing anything wrong), I'll keep on complaining.
A 20-something
| white girl with a camera and commercial certificate in
her purse is as
| much a security hazard as a rabbit. And you CAN have it
both ways.
|
| No, you can't have it both ways.
|
| People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately
are now a security
| issue. This doesn't mean the security people have a right
to "hassle" you or
| push you around, but it does mean that if you are
questioned politely in a
| non threatening manner you either will respond to this
"intrusion" by
| recognizing its a security issue until you demonstrate
that its not, or you
| will stand there and shout like hell that your personal
space and rights are
| being violated and that taking pictures isn't illegal.
| No one says the system is perfect. Actually, it stinks.
But complaining
| about your right to take pictures in an atmosphere where
security is an
| issue is not necessarily the best approach.
| Hell...you think your case was bad? I have a friend who
Captain's a 747. He
| and his entire crew were stopped and body searched at a
major US hub while
| an entire line of civilians went through the gates
unhampered. After 20
| minutes or so of this, they took his nail clippers. The
flight was late
| getting off, but those civilians went through just fine.
| It "ain't" perfect, that's for sure. The best approach is
one of quiet
| cooperation unless there is an actual incident involving
your innocent
| activity and security people hassling you, and I mean
REALLY hassling you!.
| Just my opinion mind you :-)))
|
| Dudley Henriques
|
|
|

Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security breach.
Just one. Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

It only has to happen once for a tragedy to occur. No-one checked the soles
of your shoes for explosives until someone tried to blow up something with
explosives in their shoes either. A perfect example of not bothering with it
until a tragedy occurs. When someone takes some pics of a plane, and those
pics are found in the apartment of someone who's just blown themselves and
your best mate up with that same plane somewhere down your street, will you
be complaining why nobody did anything when they saw him taking the pictures
at your local aerodrome?
I'm with Dudley on this one.
Crash Lander

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But I'm never wrong!
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a
security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security
breach.
Just one. Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
...
It only has to happen once for a tragedy to occur. No-one
checked the soles of your shoes for explosives until someone
tried to blow up something with explosives in their shoes
either. A perfect example of not bothering with it until a
tragedy occurs. When someone takes some pics of a plane, and
those pics are found in the apartment of someone who's just
blown themselves and your best mate up with that same plane
somewhere down your street, will you be complaining why nobody
did anything when they saw him taking the pictures at your
local aerodrome? I'm with Dudley on this one.
Crash Lander

--
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!

First, don't top post. It screws up the readability of the thread. Second,
your logic is some of the worst ever posted on Usenet, so it is pretty bad.
Just because something has not happened is not an excuse to have
over-the-top, ridiculous, paranoid, government-is-always-right security
procedures. If that is what you want then move to some authoritarian
country. Quit trying to turn this country into some slave state.
Personally, I am fed up with the current culture of stupidity that has taken
over this country. It doesn't matter whether it is global warming,
religion, Iraq, taxes, security or stem cells. The stupidity has to stop.


"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

People who are taking pictures at airports unfortunately are now a
security
issue.


One example where the taking of pictures led directly to a security
breach.
Just one. Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Tom Conner" wrote in message
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First, don't top post. It screws up the readability of the thread.

See, now you're trying to assert authority over me by telling me not to top
post. Hmmm. A bit of contradiction is sneaking into this discussion.

Second, your logic is some of the worst ever posted on Usenet, so it is
pretty bad.

Your opinion, which you are entitled to, is not the be all and end all of
anything.


Just because something has not happened is not an excuse to have
over-the-top, ridiculous, paranoid, government-is-always-right security
procedures.

If you see a child running towards a pool, do you stop it? It probably will
stop. 99.999999% of the time they do! It only takes you not being interested
or active enough to stop and talk to that child that perhaps causes it to
fall in and drown.

If that is what you want then move to some authoritarian
country. Quit trying to turn this country into some slave state.

You are assuming that everyone here is from the USA? You are naive. There
are more countries in the world than the one you are whinging about.

Personally, I am fed up with the current culture of stupidity that has
taken
over this country. It doesn't matter whether it is global warming,
religion, Iraq, taxes, security or stem cells. The stupidity has to stop.

Sounds like you don't like it there. Perhaps you should move?

PS. I was going to top post this, as most people don't have a drama with it,
but decided not to because I thought you might struggle.

Good luck to you.
Crash Lander

If you see a child running towards a pool, do you stop it?

Children run towards pools all the time. They even jump in. That's
what pools are for.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I like to top post, it is called


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ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Tom Conner" wrote in message
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|
| "Crash Lander" wrote in message
| ...
| It only has to happen once for a tragedy to occur.
No-one
| checked the soles of your shoes for explosives until
someone
| tried to blow up something with explosives in their
shoes
| either. A perfect example of not bothering with it until
a
| tragedy occurs. When someone takes some pics of a plane,
and
| those pics are found in the apartment of someone who's
just
| blown themselves and your best mate up with that same
plane
| somewhere down your street, will you be complaining why
nobody
| did anything when they saw him taking the pictures at
your
| local aerodrome? I'm with Dudley on this one.
| Crash Lander
|
| --
| I'm not always right,
| But I'm never wrong!
|
| First, don't top post. It screws up the readability of
the thread. Second,
| your logic is some of the worst ever posted on Usenet, so
it is pretty bad.
| Just because something has not happened is not an excuse
to have
| over-the-top, ridiculous, paranoid,
government-is-always-right security
| procedures. If that is what you want then move to some
authoritarian
| country. Quit trying to turn this country into some slave
state.
| Personally, I am fed up with the current culture of
stupidity that has taken
| over this country. It doesn't matter whether it is global
warming,
| religion, Iraq, taxes, security or stem cells. The
stupidity has to stop.
|
|
| "Thomas Borchert" wrote in
message
| ...
| Dudley,
|
| People who are taking pictures at airports
unfortunately are now a
| security
| issue.
|
|
| One example where the taking of pictures led directly
to a security
| breach.
| Just one. Thanks.
|
| --
| Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
|
|
|
|
|