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Old July 25th 06, 02:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Emily[_1_]
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Kyle Boatright wrote:

Apples and oranges. Passports are flagged, etc and there are real time
systems to address people with the wrong name or number on their passport.


Not to mention there's a law that you must show a passport. There's not
law about showing ID at a small airport if you're just hanging around.
Yes, the current regime is a problem, but so are people making up
authority that they just don't have.
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Old July 25th 06, 02:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Crash Lander[_1_]
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Hi Kyle!
In this case, I agree it's possible it may not have been necessary, as the
kid with the camera was clearly talking to you and was acting with your
permission, but this discussion has developed past your original incident.
Now we have posters going on about having the right to refuse to produce ID
and explain why they are in a certain place if they are citizens, and not
foreigners and aren't doing anything suspicious etc. Going to another
country is not suspicious, however, each and every person is required to
produce a passport, and explain their reasons for entering that country. I
don't see them being so high and mighty and enforcing their 'rights' in that
circumstance.
As I said, the incident you posted about may have had an un-necessary
outcome, but what actual damage did it do? If it scared the young lad away
from learning to fly, then I'd suggest he is pretty thin skinned, and not at
all dedicated to his implied interest in aviation.
Crash Lander

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"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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Hi Dudley!
This is fun innit! :-)

The funny thing is that you guys and girls that are complaining about
unnecessary security measures actually actively engage in them every day!
For example. You lock your doors and windows at night. Now, chances are,
you'll never get broken into and robbed, but you lock up anyway! Why? If
someone wants to get in, do you really think a little window lock or a
deadbolt on a door will stop them?


The difference is that I choose to lock my doors (or not). Nobody makes
me follow their idea of security measures.

I suppose you refuse to show your passport when you go overseas, because
it's none of their buisness who you are or what you're planning on doing
in that other country? Of course you don't! How about a little
consistency in your arguments people!
Crash Lander


Apples and oranges. Passports are flagged, etc and there are real time
systems to address people with the wrong name or number on their passport.

At my local airport, they want to take down your name if you're taking
pictures. Let's say you produce an ID for the 18 year old who runs the
fuel pump. Is it fake? He can't tell. Is he gonna run the name through
the FBI database? Naah. Most likely, he's not even going to write it
down, and even if he does, the list of names will go in the dead letter
file.

The whole thing is/was pointless and has no impact other than to hassle
some kid with a camera.

KB




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Old July 25th 06, 12:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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In article . net,
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

I don't know about the rest of the group, but I'll go with what TSA has
to
say on this, as actually, I already know what they will say.


Asking TSA would be fine except that the TSA has demonstrated fundemental
flaws wrt understanding security.

[snip]


All this is fine, and probably very true, but the quality of airport
security isn't the issue being discussed here.


true. But, you, in effect, claimed that the TSA would be an appropriate
authority on what constitutes a security problem. I was pointing out the
problem with that position.

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Old July 25th 06, 09:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Dudley,

write a simple email to TSA where it does matter, and
ask THEM if the taking of photographs at major airports is, or is not, one
of the issues their security people are specifically trained to consider in
the airport security equation


What's that got to do with the question whether it's a security issue or not?

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