Leaving the community

Peter Duniho wrote:

But the real issue here is that the people who voted for Bush, on the
whole, simply either refuse to believe the factual reports that
contradict everything Bush claimed and claims, or failed to pay
attention to those reports when they were made.

So, just to confirm, you're saying that anybody voting for Bush failed to
pay attention or chose to ignore "the facts". How do you reconcile that
argument with this statement from the same post?:

I can respect someone that fully understands what Bush did, and still
decides that in the greater scheme of things we're better off with
Bush. That's fine.

If "that's fine", then why can't you just admit that 51% of the voters fully
understood what Bush did and still decided we're better off with him than
Kerry?

Man, talk about sour grapes...

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Peter Duniho wrote:

"Laura Clayton" wrote in message
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Apparently you can fool 50% of the people, but there is always a noise
function.

I've often wondered why some people feel the need to insult the
intelligence of their fellow voters who simply do not agree with
their world views.


Actually, according to the Gallup Poll, among Republicans you can fool over
60% of the people.

I can't speak for where Bob's coming from, but the truth remains that for
the most part, people who voted for Bush don't actually have their facts
straight. This is not disputable.

This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had
their facts any more straight?


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had their
facts any more straight?

Yes. The Gallup poll shows that to be the case, at least with respect to
Bush's statements.

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had their
facts any more straight?


Yes. The Gallup poll shows that to be the case, at least with respect to
Bush's statements.



Have you been this deluded for a long time or is it something that
happened recently? Polls are statistics, not facts.


Matt

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had
their
facts any more straight?

Yes. The Gallup poll shows that to be the case, at least with respect to
Bush's statements.

It would have been interesting if the Gallup poll would have asked Kerry's
supporters whether Bush really had a secret plan to introduce the draft, or
whether Bush lost those explosives, or whether Bush had a secret plan to get
rid of Social Security, or whether Bush was behind a secret conspiracy to
create a flu vaccine shortage.

The Gallup poll only addressed Republican myths. If it had asked about
Democratic myths it might perhaps have been considerably more balanced in
its result.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Laura Clayton" wrote in message
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Apparently you can fool 50% of the people, but there is always a noise
function.

I've often wondered why some people feel the need to insult the
intelligence of their fellow voters who simply do not agree with
their world views.

Actually, according to the Gallup Poll, among Republicans you can fool
over
60% of the people.

I can't speak for where Bob's coming from, but the truth remains that for
the most part, people who voted for Bush don't actually have their facts
straight. This is not disputable.

Neither is it disputable that towards the end of the campaign that Kerry was
getting close to batting zero on getting his own facts straight. Bush's
secret plan for a draft? The "lost" explosives? The destruction of Social
Security? The flu virus conspiracy? I had to wonder what Kerry was smoking.

Laura Clayton wrote:

Bob Chilcoat wrote:

I absolutely agree with you, Jay. Yet again, I had to vote AGAINST a
candidate, rather than FOR one. I just thought Kerry was the least-bad
candidate. When Bush opens his mouth, or just looks at the camera, for
that
matter, the back of my hair goes up. What thinking individual could vote
FOR this idiot. I guess my version of the least-bad candidate was the
same as only 49.9% of the rest of the country.

Apparently you can fool 50% of the people, but there is always a noise
function.

I've often wondered why some people feel the need to insult the
intelligence of
their fellow voters who simply do not agree with their world views.
Different people have different experiences in their life, and some people
even study
macroeconomics in depth. And the same treatment is given to
candidates. Although he has his moments, everyone knows Bush isn't a great
orator, but he sure isn't an idiot either.

I agree it is wrong to insult their intelligence. It is/was very difficult
to make informed decisions given the lack of real journalism available.

But Bush plain old did a bad job and was not held accountable for it. He
bungled Iraq. He pandered to big money special interests. He set new
heights of secrecy in government. But most of all his supporters were
willing to overlook the fact that on 9/12/01 the whole world was with us
and two years later you can hardly find anyone that will talk to us on a
diplomatic level.


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Frank....H

"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message -
Yet again, I had to vote AGAINST a
candidate, rather than FOR one.

Many people didn't vote for Bush as much as they voted against Edwards.
Having a trial lawyer a heartbeat away from the presidency was the greater
evil for many voters. As I recall, it was trial lawyers that managed to wipe
out piston-engine airplane production for over a decade.

D.

Capt.Doug ) wrote:

Many people didn't vote for Bush as much as they voted against Edwards.
Having a trial lawyer a heartbeat away from the presidency was the greater
evil for many voters. As I recall, it was trial lawyers that managed to wipe
out piston-engine airplane production for over a decade.

Amen to that.

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Peter

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
Many people didn't vote for Bush as much as they voted against Edwards.

Just chiming in here but speak for yourself. I voted FOR Bush and utterly
against JOhn KErry.

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Jim Fisher