Missing flight plans

On 8/3/06 3:57 AM, in article ,
"Michelle" wrote:


"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
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Some time ago on a cross-country that took me near, not into,
Chattanooga's
airspace, I notified them where I was as a courtesy. They gave me a code
to
squawk. After I was well clear of their airspace, they told me to resume
own
navigation. Fat, dumb and happy, I squawked 1200 and went on to land at my
home base. After I hanging out a bit, the airport manager came up to me
and
chewed me out for not closing my flight plan. I guess Chattanooga opened
one
for me.

You were on a cross-country without a flight plan?

Michelle S.


Yes I was, although I'll admit I file IFR for every flight nowadays.
Why do you ask?
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On 8/3/06 3:57 AM, in article ,
"Michelle" wrote:


"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message
news:C0F6CE43.89355%jeffbREMOVETHIS@REMOVEALSOwiza rdofdraws.com...

Some time ago on a cross-country that took me near, not into,
Chattanooga's
airspace, I notified them where I was as a courtesy. They gave me a code
to
squawk. After I was well clear of their airspace, they told me to resume
own
navigation. Fat, dumb and happy, I squawked 1200 and went on to land at
my
home base. After I hanging out a bit, the airport manager came up to me
and
chewed me out for not closing my flight plan. I guess Chattanooga opened
one
for me.

You were on a cross-country without a flight plan?

Michelle S.


Yes I was, although I'll admit I file IFR for every flight nowadays.
Why do you ask?

Let me answer your question with another question: why do you file all the
time (why only IFR) now and not then?

As to your question, it just seems so "unprofessional" and I think
unprofessional conduct by pilots is a big part of the reason GA has such a
higher accident rate than cars, and private pilots have the highest rates
among their pilot brethren.

Michelle

Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

I remember filing a flight plan and hopping in the plane two hours
later. Ground let me sit there for fifteen minutes while they contacted
center, came back on, told me to get out and call FSS again. Repeated
the process once more before I gave up and left VFR and filed in the air
(yeah, for some reason I REALLY wanted to be IFR, can't remember why)

(this was Terre Haute as well, for those keeping track).

"Emily" wrote in message
...
Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

I remember filing a flight plan and hopping in the plane two hours
later. Ground let me sit there for fifteen minutes while they contacted
center, came back on, told me to get out and call FSS again. Repeated
the process once more before I gave up and left VFR and filed in the air
(yeah, for some reason I REALLY wanted to be IFR, can't remember why)

(this was Terre Haute as well, for those keeping track).
Never had any trouble with Terre Haute. Cleveland dropped the ball once.

There is an online method to post problems at the Lockheed Martin Web site.

I posted a problem on Monday after getting advice from this forum and today
I had a response via email from the station manager, identifying the problem
and asking me to try it again.

Time to voice that complaint. http://www.afss.com/feedback/
It seems to be working for me.

BT

"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
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Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

Three weeks ago, on a Saturday morning we had a plan on file, opened
with Jonesboro Radio and went trucking off merrily across the
countryside. We arrived at our destination about 2.5 later and called to
cancel - the plan was never opened. Kind of scary...

Regards,

James A. (Jim) Carter


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul kgyy [mailto Posted At: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 16:34
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Missing flight plans
Subject: Missing flight plans

Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was
filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

Jim Carter wrote:
Three weeks ago, on a Saturday morning we had a plan on file, opened
with Jonesboro Radio and went trucking off merrily across the
countryside. We arrived at our destination about 2.5 later and called to
cancel - the plan was never opened. Kind of scary...

VFR or IFR?

"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
Jim Carter wrote:
Three weeks ago, on a Saturday morning we had a plan on file, opened
with Jonesboro Radio and went trucking off merrily across the
countryside. We arrived at our destination about 2.5 later and called to
cancel - the plan was never opened. Kind of scary...

VFR or IFR?

Ummm....

-----Original Message-----
From: Emily ]
Posted At: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:49 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: Missing flight plans
Subject: Missing flight plans

Jim Carter wrote:
Three weeks ago, on a Saturday morning we had a plan on file, opened
with Jonesboro Radio and went trucking off merrily across the
countryside. We arrived at our destination about 2.5 later and
called to
cancel - the plan was never opened. Kind of scary...

VFR or IFR?

VFR - Unless something has changed, isn't an IFR plan is automagically
opened when you are turned over to departure or upon your first airborne
check-in with ATC?

Paul kgyy wrote:
Twice in 2 days I've filed VFR flight plans only to have FSS unable to
find them when I called on radio after takeoff. One was filed through
Duats at 9PM for noon next day (and left at noon). The other was filed
with a briefer at Terre Haute at 10PM for 8AM next day (and left on
time).

In both cases I had to re-file over the radio.

DUAT should be able to trace back through their logs and find out what happened.
It will help if you have the transaction number from when you filed.

A couple of ways I've had flight plans lost:
- filed with FSS, and the N-number had some digits transposed.
- filed with DUAT, and I miscalculated the zulu departure time.

Dave