Scared of mid-airs

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:12:37 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:49:54 GMT, Larry Dighera
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

Yes.

Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:59:32 GMT, Larry Dighera
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:12:37 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:49:54 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Even those flights on VFR MTRs?

Yes.

Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?

Because some can be flown in visual conditions and some can be flown
in instrument conditions as well. Regardless of weather conditions,
IAW regulations all military flights are conducted on an IFR flight
plan ("to the maximum extent practicable" -- which is regulation-speak
for all of them).

A "flight plan" is merely a record of your intended route of
flight--it can be a VFR or IFR flight plan. Flight plans are filed
with Flight Service Stations--an entity of the FAA, but not an air
traffic controlling agency.

Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR. (I use the
term "military" with some trepidation as I do not know if Army rotary
wing craft do that.)

You really don't know a lot about this do you? Yet, you are steadfast
in your opinions.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?


Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?

Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

Jose
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:01:36 GMT, Jose
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

See the post to LD regarding what a flight plan is.

Departures are conducted under ATC. Recoveries are conducted under
ATC. Training time along an MTR, within a MOA, in restricted airspace,
or on a range is usually done without ATC involvement.

If your hypothetical civilian pilot wants ATC to provide him safe
separation from other IFR aircraft, he/she should file an IFR flight
plan, obtain an IFR clearance, and operate in controlled airspace
under ATC's control. They should also look out the window as best they
can.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Jose wrote:
Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.
Even those flights on VFR MTRs?
Yes.

Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting? If so, then ATC should be able to provide better
information that a civilian pilot could use to determine whether or not
to transition a route at a particular point at a particular time.

Jose

When I was an air traffic controller at the Denver Enroute Center we
would get a flight strip for, say, a B-52 entering a MTR. It's been a
while but the flight strip would have his entry time for the MTR and a
calculated exit time along with the altitude he'd be climbing to at the
exit point. We didn't track him at all while he was on the route; he
wasn't on radar and, given the nature of an MTR, it would be nearly
impossible to give a civilian pilot an accurate position report of the
B-52.

It's been several years since I've been a controller so things may have
changed.

--Walt Weaver

Jose wrote:

Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Does ATC track those flights in real time, at least with non-radar
position reporting?


No.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Not an FAA flight plan.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:05:07 -0600, Newps wrote:



On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:28:28 GMT, Ed Rasimus
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.

Not an FAA flight plan.

Within the USA they certainly are.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com